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Israel says ‘highly likely’ its troops killed Turkish-American activist

Israel’s military has said it was highly likely its troops fired the shot that killed Ayşenur Ezgi Eygi, the American-Turkish woman killed at a protest in the occupied West Bank.

The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said her death was unintentional and expressed deep regret.

The statement came as Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, called the killing of the 26-year-old last week “unprovoked and unjustified”.

Speaking on a diplomatic visit to London, Blinken told journalists that Eygi’s death showed the Israeli security forces needed to make fundamental changes to their rules of engagement.

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swordgeek ,

“Yeah, we killed her. We’d killher again if we could. Whatcha gonna do about it?”

TheOubliette ,

The Biden-Harris administration will say they are troubled and then provide $3 billion more to Israel.

swordgeek ,

Make no mistake - Trump would do that and more.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

If both parties are for it, how can anyone be against it?

Eldritch ,

The sad truth is, give us someone who does. Who stands a chance. Then and only then will that discussion matter. Till then, not making things abjectly worse is sadly the best option. And we can push to improve from there. As opposed to trying to push to improve from a worse position in 4 years time.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

Who stands a chance.

First they came for the Palestinians and I said nothing, because I didn’t want to ruin anyone’s electoral chances.

Eldritch ,

First of all its ghoulishly disingenuous for you to conflate providing arms. Which is wrong I’m not justifying that. To actually killing people. That’s straight up empty virtue signaling and not solving or convincing anyone of anything.

I asked who stands a chance. And you quoted it without even answering it. Useless. Right now the only viable option other than R or D in the presidential campaign is a widespread general uprising. Which I’m all for. If you got one let’s go kiddo. But I got news for you. If you don’t. What you’re doing is empty virtue signaling that only helps the worst people around. And makes enemies of possible allies. Which is how I know your words are empty.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

I asked who stands a chance.

The people who collect the most corporate PAC money, obviously. So these are the only people it is reasonable to support.

TheOubliette ,

They will not exist so long as you vote for “lesser evil” genociders. Why would there be? You still vote for them! They don’t need to listen to you at all and will gladly continue the project that is in their overall material interest in supporting Israel. You show up in their databases as, “Likely Democratic voter” and so they send some volunteers to try to get you to vote and they ask you for money. That is how you are thought of, and I mean this literally. That is how they curate and use their information. The rest is PR for how to ensure you don’t take these looney anti-genociders too seriously.

There is no “push from there” without leverage. If they don’t do what you want, what are you going to do? With what power? If you mske a threat, why is it credible? We are kept docile and ineffective through electoral illogic that serves the interests of the existing political class and cannot imagine gaining or wielding power in any practical way.

Eldritch ,

I’ll tell you same as I told them. Unless you have a populist General uprising in your pocket. Then your rhetoric is empty. I’m 100% ready for a popular general non-leninist uprising. Let’s go. But I don’t have time or bandwidth for empty holier than thou virtue signaling. I actually want things to not get worse and possibly even make them better. Not enable the worst people among us.

TheOubliette ,

Being “ready” means nothing, it is just a thought in your head. Praxis requires that you act. You aren’t ready for an uprising if you aren’t actually organizing towards one yourself. And I have yet to meet a successful revolutionary organizer that tries to sheepdog for literally genocidal Democrats.

I haven’t advocated for “doing nothing”, I have advocated against supporting genocide from both a moralizing and electorally strategic angle. I choose these angles because it is the language most people will understand and because the propaganda that I oppose in the process teaches people to give up leverage and cheerlead, which is literally disempowering.

If people want recommendations on something positive to do, I would recommend joining the Uncommitted Movement if you prefer electoralism. If you are interested in politics that also extends beyond electoralism, I would be happy to provide advice on any local groups and reading materials.

NobodyElse ,

Due to the very real and observable ratchet effect, the outcome of your strategy is that things actually get worse… just slightly slower than they otherwise would. Voting for the “lesser of two evils” will never, ever make things better. You need to take a risk and vote for a non-evil to even have a shot at making things actually better.

Zorque ,

The country is more than a president.

The biggest change isn’t going to come from the top, it’s going to come from the bottom. Support local and state reps that share your values, they’re far more likely to get elected than a federal position, and have a much more direct impact on peoples daily lives (and ability to support reps at the federal level).

Passerby6497 ,

Yeah, but what if I’m only politically aware for half a year every 4 years? Voting for the president is all I can do! /s

TheOubliette ,

What is the logic for supporting 99% Hitler when you could actually choose to work against 99% Hitler and Hitler himself? This is genocide, not a marginal tax bracket you can lesser evil about. The systematic destruction of a people is as bad as it gets, generally speaking.

If you support this and tell other people to vote for it, you are complicit.

TheFriar ,

I just want to point out how interesting it is that this comment called it the “Biden-Harris administration.” Interesting.

xmunk ,

Hey… what’s a little murder between geopolitical allies of convenience…

zeephirus ,

what they said was. we didnt mean to murder that one. it was one of the other unarmed protesters we meant to murder. The other one was only Palestinian so chill… they dont matter remember!

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said her death was unintentional and expressed deep regret.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8e3c00ea-5147-40ca-af7a-89e1cb974e03.gif

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Kalkaline ,
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“Yeah, in fact that was probably Steve, crazy mother fucker is always shooting into crowds thinking he sees Hamas”.

joeynotjoe ,
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Fuck this “war”. We are so far gone it’s deeply disturbing.

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