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Zelensky: Diplomacy 'not at the expense of 30% of our territory'

Ukraine is committed to peace but not at the expense of giving up its territory, President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a sit down with representatives of the Indian media that was published on Aug. 25.

Zelensky spoke with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi of the need for Russia’s war to end during the latter’s historic visit to Kyiv on Aug. 23.

“When you say ‘diplomacy’, I’m all for it, but I’d like to see concrete steps that are not at the expense of 30% of our state and not at the expense of our population. If there is such a plan, we’re all for it,” Zelensky said.

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pedoHunt3Rr ,

Zelensky’s leadership has become synonymous with corruption, and it’s not hard to see why. The man who started as a comedian has now effectively sold the country, turning Ukraine into a bargaining chip on the global stage.

His rise from entertainment to the presidency was unconventional, but it also laid bare his lack of political acumen. Instead of steering the nation toward stability, his tenure has been marred by deepening corruption and mismanagement. For someone who promised to fight the very corruption he’s now accused of perpetuating, it’s clear that his leadership has left Ukraine more vulnerable and compromised than ever.

Icalasari ,

Brand new account, basically no comments, the few comments saying, essentially, that Ukraine should roll over?

Maybe it's coincidence
Maybe it's Russian Ops™

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

that’s a lot of assertions with zero supporting information.

And I’d rather my country be a global bargaining chip than another annexed region of Russia.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dane-geld_(poem)

Wrench ,

Just for comparsion, that would be like surrendering Alaska, Texas, and California if we needed to surrender 30% of our territory “for peace”

pedoHunt3Rr ,

Always gotta bring it back to the U.S., huh? Like we can’t understand anything unless it’s measured in acres of Texas or how many Californias we’re talking about. Everything has to be compared to America, like it’s the only place on the planet. Next, we’ll be calculating war casualties in Big Macs per square mile lmao

Wrench ,

We also have to whine about everything. Great job at keeping your end of the online discourse contract.

pedoHunt3Rr ,

Damn… I hit the spot :)

ramble81 ,

And before anyone has anything smart ass to say, make it any 30% of the country you like…

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

eh they can have texas alabama Mississippi and florida

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

That’s exactly the stupid shit they were referring to, good job.

biofaust ,

I would like to know what Modi said exactly to elicit such response. I know the guy is not of my liking already, but lately I am interested in knowing whether he is just playing as a relay for Putin or rather distancing himself from him.

empireOfLove2 ,
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Modi is going to do whatever it takes to keep super cheap under-market-rate Russian oil and minerals flowing to his rapidly growing economy. He’s just as anti-democracy as Putin and couldn’t give a fuck what happens to Ukraine otherwise.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Modi is in the weird place of being an elected authoritarian, and so he uses that one foot in both worlds-ness to try and be the diplomatic pivot between those spheres.

The problem, is that Modi is a terrible diplomat, and people come to India not because of his talents, but because India is a sleeping economic giant that could pop off at any instant depending on how their government and society shakes out. Keep in mind that India is still a very much under construction country. India being a collection of colonies and princedoms us still in living memory, and even if it wasn’t, America almost a quarter of a millenia old and even then it is an under construction state and society.

tal ,

So, my understanding of India’s interests here is that:

  • India doesn’t really have much of a dog in the race as regards the conflict. It doesn’t directly impact them a great deal who comes out better-off, and they don’t care that much about Russia invading countries in Europe short of this turning nuclear or something.
  • The conflict itself going on poses some serious problems for India. India relies on Russia for a number of critical things, like military hardware. However, if Russia is sufficiently isolated to the point of depending on China, then that gives China a lot of leverage over Russia. That in turn creates grave problems for India. India cannot have China getting control over things like their weapons supply.
  • India has not done a lot in terms of pressuring or criticizing Russia regarding the invasion compared to, say, the US. But it’s also important to note that India is not the US, had that pre-existing relationship and dicier balance of power to worry about. I read an article the other day from some Indian guy saying that what India really does not want to happen is being in an Asia where you have China, several neighboring countries like Pakistan that China has done a lot to cultivate a relationship with, and then an isolated Russia falling under China’s influence. If that happens, then there are ways to try and counterbalance that, by building more links with the West, but my expectation is that this is not India’s first choice, given that they could have just gone out and done so regardless of the Russia situation in the part and have not.
  • I noted earlier that a while back that Russia blew up a turbine engine factory in Mykolaiv when Ukraine forced them to retreat. They didn’t do so immediately, only when forced to retreat, so they probably wanted it intact. Many of Russia’s warships depend on turbines made here, and Russia is short on replacements, and is trying to build and scale up domestic turbine engine production to try to fill the hole. However, what I thought was interesting was that when Russia blew it up, it didn’t really impact the Ukrainian military, which at the moment has no ships to use them in. It didn’t impact the Russian military, because Ukraine wasn’t going to be sending them any turbines anyway during a war in which Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. The party that it did screw over was the Indian navy, who had a bunch of warships from Russia that they are now unable to get engines and replacements for. India did not go to try to purchase engines from the company in Russia. Instead, they purchased a controlling interest in the Indian arm of the Ukrainian manufacturer and started trying to ramp them up. I’d guess that that might have partly reflected frustration over Russia blowing the plant up.

So, keeping in mind that I am no India expert, have done limited reading on India’s relations and such, my understanding is that the most-likely issue here isn’t really India acting as a proxy for Moscow. In fact, India would probably rather have had Russia not initiate the conflict and is probably kind of annoyed with Moscow for having done so. A more-likely concern might be India just wanting the conflict and sanctions ending ASAP regardless of the impact on Ukraine.

And given that that’s basically what Zelenskyy is saying here, just kinda adds to the plausibility for me that the main risk is just India wanting the conflict to end and everything normalized ASAP, even if that means a major cost to parties involved, like Ukraine.

acosmichippo , (edited )
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There was a post about this in !worldnews the other day.

https://lemmy.world/comment/11950407

“We were not neutral from day one, we have taken a side, and we stand firmly for peace,” Modi said. Modi is paying the first visit to Ukraine by an Indian prime minister. As he pushed for a way forward on ending the Ukraine war, Modi urged Zelensky to sit down for talks with Russia and offered to act as a “friend” to help bring peace. “No problem can be resolved on a battlefield,” Modi said in Poland on Wednesday before heading to Ukraine.

At best, Modi is equivocating on taking a side while calling for “peace”. At worst, he’s using “peace” as a cudgel to pressure Ukraine into ceding the territory to Russia.

Incidentally I was banned for my comments in that post. All I said was basically that Ukraine has a right to defend itself, and one of their communist mods @OurToothbrush called that “pro war”, removed my posts and banned me (modlog).

OutlierBlue ,

lemmy.ml

Well there’s your problem.

Rhaedas ,

Robber beats you up, knocks you down, and takes your wallet.

"Hey, that's my money?"

"Tell you what, I'll just take 30% and call it peace."

"Okay...just don't do it again, right?"

Robber runs away laughing.

lemmylommy ,

Don’t forget he killed your grandparents and raped your kids.

someguy3 ,

But he says he won’t do it again.

MrVilliam ,

Just like he said last time.

ripcord ,
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…Or he doesn’t.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

or a more direct analogy, appeasing the nazis and fascists before WWII.

illi ,

I mean… they took Krym, West did nothing. So clearly they tried again on a grander scale.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

yes that is exactly my point.

exu ,

More like you have a house and family and one day your neighbour, who has occupied the balcony for the last few years, breaks into your house and occupies some rooms, takes one of your children and makes you remove all doors and locks so he can come and go as he pleases into your remaining rooms.

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