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FundMECFSResearch ,

You could give the aid to ukraine and benefit the MIC just the same

FlyingSquid ,
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U.S. Politicians, especially on the right, will always support Israel because, even if they don’t realize it, there’s bigotry involved. Israel is the one country in the Middle East that’s “like us” and not run by those scary swarthy Muslims. They don’t love that it’s run by Jews, but Jews are closer in their mind to “normal” than Muslims. Muslims, especially after 9/11, are no longer trustworthy to American politicians. It doesn’t matter that 99.999% of them have no interest in attacking the U.S., they’re all the enemy. And Israel, to them, is the lone light in fighting that enemy.

It’s some sick shit that even plenty of them would realize was sick if they took two seconds to think about it. Which they don’t.

Diva ,
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Americans have to tell themselves that america and it’s proxies “the good ones” because any sober assessment would shatter their world view and require them to stop doing all the evil shit that they do.

It’s why those pathetic cowards leaving the DNC had to cover their ears rather than hear the names of their victims.

FatCrab ,

They’ll support Israel because the way we do it is another of the many infinite money hacks our MIC has created and entrenched deep into our politics. I really dislike this American trend to racialize the conflict. In virtually every way, Palestinians and Israelis, and Jews in general for that matter, are pretty indistinguishable but for small differences in otherwise very similar ethnic and religious cultures. Jewish culture, even across the diaspora, has been pretty clearly a Levantine originating one forever (not to mention the far deeper similarities between Judaism as a religion and Islam than between either and Christianity).

mathemachristian ,

Well Harris’ campaign promise is that Americas going to have the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.

So, yeah the genocide will continue.

TheFonz ,

Why are you leaving out the rest of the paragraph from that speech? She spent more time talking about the needs of Palestinians and working on an immediate ceasefire.

Diva ,
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When she says “ceasefire” she’s talking about finding ways to make docile liberals okay with dragging this whole genocide out longer. Harris could stop it in a concrete way by halting all the bomb and missile shipments until they run out of ammo and have to come beg for more again. That then gives you leverage to say “stop indescriminantly murdering civilians, r*ping prisoners, and assassinating the person you’re supposed to be negotiating with”

mathemachristian ,

President Biden and Vice President Harris believe a strong, secure, and democratic Israel is vital to the interests of the United States. Their commitment to Israel’s security, its qualitative military edge, its right to defend itself, and the 2016 Memorandum of Understanding is ironclad.

democrats.org/…/FINAL-MASTER-PLATFORM.pdf

TheBigBrother ,

Obviously not, Palestinians need some American freedom…

PugJesus ,

Look, I’m not saying an independent Palestine would be perfect…

… but has PALESTINE ever attacked an American ship, unprovoked, killing dozens of servicemen?

Just sayin’, maybe we’re putting our influence behind the less reliable party to have as an ally…

Okigotitnow ,

Well that was an incident during war time which happens unfortunately. But Hamas did kidnapped American citizens. Which have not been realsed, well after knowing the fact

Your comment is lacking, just sayin’

PugJesus ,

Well that was an incident during war time which happens unfortunately.

Yes, I too repeatedly attack a ship frantically signaling me not to attack, in international waters, flying the flag of a friendly/neutral country, multiple times, from both air and sea, over the course of several hours. It just happens, you know?

But Hamas did kidnapped American citizens.

So? Fuck Hamas. They don’t have to be the postwar Palestinian government. They’re not even the legitimate Palestinian government now.

vga ,

Fuck Hamas. They don’t have to be the postwar Palestinian government. They’re not even the legitimate Palestinian government now.

I think this was one of the primary goals of the war.

WanderingVentra ,

Not really. The goal of the war is genocide. If anything, they’re making a ton of new Hamas members from all the orphans, widows, and widowers.

vga ,

This article goes through Israel’s goals and their current status: www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/israel-winning

WanderingVentra ,

Wow that is an extremely biased and cope filled article. It completely ignores why Hamas was created and got into power, the conditions that would lead to the creation of a resistance against Israel, Israel’s own public statements on genocide referenced by the ICJ, all of the civilian casualties, their own murders and hostages from before October 7th, their own blocking of aid (they call putting “Palestinians on a diet”), and the fact that they demanded a soldier presence in Gaza in the latest rounds of negotiations basically negating any hope that they’ll do what the author says they should at the end. We don’t have to guess what their goals are, they’ve said it.

vga ,

I commend you for your speed reading skills.

PugJesus ,

It’s Israel’s stated goal. But without proffering any alternative, it’s rather flimsy as an excuse. They don’t want the PA - hell, Israel funded Hamas specifically to sideline Fatah and the PA - and they’ve done nothing but enable Hamas’s suppression of alternatives in the Gaza Strip. The goal, quite nakedly, is a land grab, and excuses about Hamas are nothing but smokescreen.

Put it this way - if you want to wipe out a country entirely, recognize one group as the ruling authorities (Hamas), and then demand nothing short of that group’s total and unconditional surrender, with the implication that they’ll all be prosecuted as criminals afterwards.

Regimes, and especially gangster regimes like Hamas, generally do not surrender under such circumstances, so it’s carte blanche to continuously attack the country without having to worry about things like “Their government already surrendered, you bombing these cities is starting to look like mass murder”. You can just say, “No, no, the organization says they’re still fighting, so we’re definitely just cleaning up terrorists here! The onus is on them to give themselves up, not for us to stop bombing! The civilians are dead because of THEM, not us!”

TheFonz ,

Pug,

I respect you and I agree with your take.

I just wanted to add some context though. Hamas enjoys wide support among Palestinians and Hamas’s explicit objective, as outlined in its charter, is the eradication of the state of Israel. If the Palestinian people won’t accept that the Israeli state is here to stay then the differences are to remain irreconcilable. 10 million jews aren’t going to pack up and leave. The 68 borders aren’t happening either, no matter what kind of wishful thinking we employ. This is unfortunate, but it’s the reality we have to contend with sadly.

Don’t get me wrong though: this is no justification to use the security threat as casus belli in the way IDF is conducting this war. Plenty of reprehensible actions coming from the Israeli military. There is absolutely no way forward until the current political regime in Israel is replaced with better leadership.

kamenoko ,

Palestinians have been offered a state countless times. The Arab and Iranian Muslims that fund Hamas’ terrorism won’t be happy until everyone is dead or a Muslim.

It’s 2024 why are we supporting religious terrorists?

nondescripthandle ,

Oh well if we’re benefiting from the genocide then alright. /s

SulaymanF ,

Calling Israel a democracy is stupid when it has Jim Crow style laws at best and apartheid at worst. They don’t let most Palestinians vote and keep them on bantustans.

foolio949 ,

Why would Israel let people from another county vote in their elections?

SulaymanF ,

You mean like how South Africa pretended black people weren’t citizens and instead citizens of Bantustans that they conveniently set up? Yeah that’s how Israel does it in their apartheid too.

Squizzy ,

Because it isn’t a country by their own logic and also Palestinians dont just live in Palestine and furthermore why would Israel do any of what they do to a peoplr from another country, like arm guard their neighbourhoods, lock them in, lock them out, rape and murder them?

wurzelgummidge ,

American taxpayer dollars get recycled into the pockets of the military industrial complex and it’s investors. Death and destruction are America’s primary exports

ravhall ,

Tale as old as time

Frog ,

Completely right.

When the U.S. gives military aid to Israel, the Israeli government is not putting that money in its pocket. The vast majority of the money that the U.S. allocates to Israel each year must be spent on American weapons.

The logic of this only works when companies that produce these weapons pockets the money and gives some it back to bribe politicians for deals like this and to cut their taxes.

They are taking billions of our tax money and giving it to companies in a loophole so the process isn’t directly stealing from us.

BallsandBayonets ,

The US doesn’t benefit, but a few privately owned corporations and a handful of already way too wealthy monsters benefit.

But since they own the US government, it doesn’t really matter if the other 99.998% of people in the US, plus 100% of Palestinians suffer.

vga ,

macrotrends.net/…/total-provision-income-taxes

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