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Viking_Hippie , (edited )

How many people did they kill this time, in order to recover dead bodies?

Last time, they killed 120-somehing Palestinian civilians to save 2 Israeli hostages and the time before that, they killed over 100 to retrieve dead bodies.

Eheran ,

Why where the hostages surrounded by 120 civilians? At what point is a civilian not a civilian anymore? If he has hostages at home? Were there any non-civilians?

Viking_Hippie ,

Why where the hostages surrounded by 120 civilians

Because Gaza one of the densest urban areas in the world. When you level an apartment complex, you’re GOING to kill innocent people. Especially if you, like the Israeli government, consider all Palestinians Hamas and therefore do nothing to limit civilian casualties.

bravesilvernest ,
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“Why do you make us do this! Oh woe to me, there is no other way to get these hostages other than to bomb a populated area. What else am I to do? pushes button How terrible that you made me do that! …now, I wonder how soon we can get some settlers over here.”

Cephalotrocity ,

Hey I have an idea. How about all hostages get freed so civilian lives aren’t imperilled.

gAlienLifeform ,
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You think Palestinian lives weren’t being threatened and taken by Israeli violence before October 7?

Cephalotrocity ,

Clearly, that is exactly what I said and isn’t a Straw Man at all

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

Do you mean including the Palestinians held hostage in Israeli military prisons being physically, psychologically, and sexually tortured after being “arrested” on false or no charges?

Because there’s literally hundreds of times as many of THOSE hostages than Israeli ones.

Also, you’re BEYOND gullible if I think Israel won’t continue murdering Palestinian civilians after they’ve gotten the hostages. That’s not what it’s about.

Murdering or driving away every single Gazan so they can steal more land has always been the purpose. October 7th and the hostages are just convenient excuses for them to commit the war crimes they already wanted to.

Cephalotrocity ,

October 7th and the hostages are just convenient excuses

The depravity of this statement is beyond words. You want sympathy, show sympathy. You risk justifying genocide otherwise.

Viking_Hippie ,

I obviously meant from the perspective of the genocidal apartheid regime, not myself.

The October 7th attacks and hostage taking were beyond atrocious and my heart goes out to the families of the victims of both. The only reason I didn’t say do was because it goes without saying.

They’re not the REAL reason that the Israeli apartheid regime is still committing crimes against humanity on a daily basis 10 months later, though.

Cephalotrocity ,

So we’re in agreement then. Thank you for toning it down.

I will point out that even saying doesn’t help. I said ‘all’ hostages and am still getting presumptive hate from others.

Viking_Hippie ,

I said ‘all’ hostages and am still getting presumptive hate from others

Probably because of your own ridiculous presumption that Israel wouldn’t keep murdering Palestinians with impunity after the return of the hostages.

Cephalotrocity ,

That’s not the presumption. The presumption is if the hostages are all released it vastly reduces Israeli excuses and support which would reduce civilian casualties to a level that at least is no longer existential.

Viking_Hippie ,

if the hostages are all released it vastly reduces Israeli excuses

They’ll just come up with new ones. Netanyahu is already talking about “finishing the job” more than about the hostages.

and support

Israelis are literally blockading military bases to protect soldiers credibly accused of torture-raping Palestinian hostages. They may well care about the Israeli hostages, unlike the government, but they support the genocide and as a rule don’t consider Palestinians human.

which would reduce civilian casualties to a level that at least is no longer existential.

Nope. There’s zero chance of that happening without a regime change and arrests of some of the key figures in the fascist Israeli government coalition. ZERO.

girlfreddy ,
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I have yet to read anything that helps me understand why Israel, based on the premise of “freeing the hostages”, decided to carpet bomb the actual areas the hostages would be held in. I mean it makes zero sense to spend months doing that, and then publically announce every time they find hostages’ bodies … like it’s some kind of accomplishment. It’s not. It is a massive fucking failure but nobody seems to be calling Israel out on that failure.

steventhedev OP ,

I wonder if this was some concession by Hamas as part of the negotiations

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