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Buffalox , (edited )

Go Ukraine, fuck Russia.
A not very wealthy country of about only 120 million people wanted to play superpower.
They were offered peace, cooperation and prosperity, but instead they chose corruption and confrontation.
Russia could very possibly have been the biggest economy in Europe by now, if they had chosen cooperation. That would have made them more powerful and influential than all the bullshit they’ve pulled to undermine the west and their neighbors.

alvvayson ,

I totally agree.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, they were handed everything they wanted on a silver plate.

They could have been Poland on steroids.

But they chose to reject it, so stupid.

Rakonat ,

Russians have been brainwashed for centuries by their elites to thinking corruption is the natural order of things.

They can’t believe that western nations can have shows of wealth and quality of life standards they do, because that means the way they and their ancestors have lived for decades isn’t how people are supposed to live.

Their elites steal everything, ensure education standards are low as possible so their workers can just barely manage to operate in a factory, on a farm or in a mine, and then encourage them to stay drunk as possible during their waking hours.

And then they wonder why Russians who manage to emigrate west never go home and sooner or later cut all contact with their backwards motherland.

Frankly if it hadn’t been for the advent of Nuclear Weapons, and Soviets stealing designs for them from America, Russia never would have been a Superpower at all and probably collapse in on itself in the 60s.

LibreHans ,

Their elites steal everything

You think the western elites don’t? It’s just slower…

Rakonat ,

Western elites do steal, true. But to no where near the same extent. We’d have trillionaires in the west if they stole as much as Russian oligarchs do.

LibreHans ,

We will have them

gnutrino ,

The trick is not to steal faster than the economy can produce. It’s like organic, fair trade, sustainable kleptocracy.

HK65 ,

wanted to play superpower

As someone who is from that region, it’s not even that. A whole lot of countries want to play superpower, and they are only mildly hated for it. The US, the French, even the Chinese are an abstract economic threat. The Russians want to play 18th century superpower and that makes them a concrete military threat.

The stupid thing is, just by looking at the state of the world right now, they totally would have won the long game if they went soft power only. Putin is a failure that way as well I guess.

suction ,

At some point we’ll probably have to admit that they’re culturally not inclined to do good. That and the rampant alcohol abuse is holding them back.

waxyloins ,

This is just racist.

suction ,

Whatever

Aurenkin ,

Putin is finally making history, his legacy will now be remembered forever. What a great accomplishment! They said it would be over in 3 days, over two years later and now Ukrainian troops are in control of Russian territory.

Amazing what Ukraine has managed to pull off here. Watching closely to see how this unfolds.

biofaust ,

You mean Putin, the Poisoner of Underwear?

SomethingBurger ,

Marvel are really running out of villains for their new movies…

BatrickPateman , (edited )

First they were the second most powerful army in the world.

Then they were the second most powerful in Ukraine.

And now they are the second most powerful in Russia.

I like they way this is going 🤗.

Darkard ,

Second most powerful in Moscow 🤞😬🤞

lauha ,

Second most powerfuk in Putin’s dreams

Honytawk ,

Second most powerful in all of their military bases.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

they made a classic blunder- the one slightly more well known than getting into it with a scillian when death is on the line! Getting into a land war in Asia!

SynopsisTantilize ,

Wait. But aren’t they Asia? Lol

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Russia is. (ukraine may not be. Usually the distinction is a bit further east of Ukraine- around the ural mountains.)

but.

Russia definitely are asian. So. given that they picked a fight on their border… I’m gonna go ahead and say “close enough” to make fun of them.

SynopsisTantilize ,

Lol I’ll join you on this one

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Most of productive thoughts throughout the pre-soviet russian history was wasted on that exact question. No joke. That long-going identity crisis even caused a divide within the elites about the choice of following either the european footsteps (westerners) or going on their own (slavic-philes).

SynopsisTantilize ,

Interesting. I’ll have to go into some research on this one.

andrew_bidlaw ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

The correct russian names for these two groups are западники and славянофилы. I feel like googling them like this you’d encounter better results. But they are limited to one period of history while the question itself was before and after them.

Kecessa ,

In Asia? Ukraine isn’t in Asia, even western Russia isn’t considered to be in Asia…

Blumpkinhead ,

They’re quoting a line from the Princess Bride.

PP_BOY_ ,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

And now they are the second most powerful in Russia.

I think it’s been that way for longer than people think. Remember when Wagner just rolled through Russia without any resistance? Putin’s might has always been false promises/ blackmail, but it’s obvious now that Russia hasn’t had the means to back itself up for a while now

barsquid ,

Prigozhin should have waited to betray Russia until Ukraine was in a position like this.

Seems like he was an idiot, though. IDK what level of delusional hubris one needs to be on to travel to Moscow after an attempt such as that.

frankgrimeszz ,

Russia = New Ukraine 🇺🇦

atro_city ,

OK, yes, but how are the front lines further south going?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Another chance to use my new Ukrainian Riker!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f89da1aa-750d-478c-96f5-73042950f10f.jpeg

(He’s Rikrainian.)

Psaldorn ,
@Psaldorn@lemmy.world avatar

He’s going to struggle to perform the riker manoeuvre with a horn of that size…

gravitas_deficiency ,

It’s about the commitment to the leg throw, not the size of the hog in the hedgerow

xc2215x ,

Good for Ukraine.

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