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Amid global criticism, Israel names 19 it says it killed in terror HQ at Gaza school

The IDF and Shin Bet security agency on Saturday night named 19 Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror operatives that it said it killed in an airstrike Saturday morning on a Hamas and Islamic Jihad command room at the Taba’een school in Gaza City.

FlyingSquid ,
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Well that makes up for the other 81 dead.

Oh wait, no it doesn’t at all.

jonne ,

I think their AI targeting machine was programmed to accept a 1 to 100 ratio of Hamas vs civilians. I guess stuff like that makes them the most moral army in the world.

BeatTakeshi ,
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Which is expected from the only democracy in this barbaric part of the world amirite

Gsus4 ,

They are still a democracy until the fascists in power take over the judicial (bibi was trying) and cancel elections altogether. The left and the army want bibi to go. However, the government can’t fall, because bibi doesn’t want to go to jail and the ultraorthodox far-right will collapse government if there is a cease-fire…meanwhile Israel can’t be pressured from the outside because the US has bipartisan unconditional support and the EU is MIA…threats by Iran only embolden bibi to start a fight so they can destroy Iran’s nuclear tech…

Either the army rebels and demands new elections🙄…or someone amnisties bibi on condition of him calling new elections and going into exile😑 …I’m making shit up at this point…

RangerJosie ,

Whether there were any legitimate targets is entirely inconsequential. They’re after a body count. Nothing more. They just wanna stack corpses.

mozz ,
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raises hand

Question

Does that mean that if Likud has a headquarters near some civilian installation, that it's okay to blow it up and the civilians along with it?

(Not that I necessarily believe that Hamas had a command center next to all of the children, but even if they did, I don't think that automatically means that blowing up all the children in the school becomes okay)

count_dongulus ,

That’s…Hamas doctrine. They use civilians as human shields to avoid western attacks. Israel is notably different in their approach where they have basically decided to ignore human shield attempts in order to more effectively counter Hamas. Arguably, if it never works and Hamas fighters get killed anyway, Hamas might stop doing it because being amongst civilians means there are a lot of people who can inform on where Hamas militants are and what they’re doing. I suspect most civilians there support Hamas though, so it probably won’t change Hamas doctrine.

In Afghanistan by contrast, the US worked with various tribal elders who didn’t support al-Qaeda. This information allowed US forces to counter human shield tactics in those areas and fighters increasingly moved out to the remote regions so civilians couldn’t inform the US where they were.

small44 ,

It’s israel who’s been using palestinian as humanshield with videos to prove it

count_dongulus ,

Well, Hamas kidnapped several hundred civilians from a music festival to use as hostages before Israel militarily invaded Gaza. Or is that fake news?

SuckMyWang ,

That not helpful to the narrative that Hamas who are made up of Palestinians and supported by Palestinian people are pure and innocent

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
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Like that didn’t have historical context. Genocide already occurring next to a damn music festival.

mozz ,
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Two whole groups of people can be bad at the same time

Hamas is horrifying villains, and Israel’s government and military are horrifying villains. There is room for all

small44 ,

The west bank is illegally occupied that mean every single west banker arrested by israel was kidnapped. We also know how palestinian prisoners are treated.

mozz ,
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The one time the UN looked in detail into this theory, it turned out it was crap. Hamas and civilians are sometimes next to each other just because they all live in Palestine, but the claimed thing where they would deliberately gather up some civilians and have them stand next to their installation, as if this would deter the Israelis or as if there was any shortage of non-artificial civilian casualties and so it was useful on any level to create some artificially, was it turned out a bunch of hooey.

Deceptichum ,
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The Israeli army has used Palestinian civilians as human shields, deliberately putting them in strategic places and in front of military targets, in an attempt to prevent attacks, fortify its forces in the Gaza Strip, facilitate its military operations and obstruct corresponding military operations. When conducting ground incursions and military attacks, the Israeli army purposefully used Palestinian civilians to guard its forces’ assembly points. It also made them step in front of military vehicles when it stormed homes and buildings it thought were booby-trapped.

reliefweb.int/…/israeli-armys-use-palestinian-civ…

Israel are a terrorist state.

jonne ,

If you want to apply the same ratios the IDF uses when it comes to civilian casualties, Hamas comes out way better on Oct 7. The majority of the hostages and victims were IDF personnel.

Gsus4 ,

How many HQs does hamas have?

Blue0x ,

How many schools, hospitals, and refugee camps are there in Gaza?

jonne ,

If it’s got walls and a roof it’s a Hamas HQ.

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