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sandbox ,

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable“ - John F. Kennedy

I want a peaceful revolution more than anything, but it’s clear that it’s impossible.

Rivalarrival ,

Good.

Edit:

On Thursday, Judge Christopher Hehir sentenced Hallam to five years in prison and Shaw, Lancaster, De Abreu, and Gethin to four each.

That’s it?

Gonna switch my “Good” to “Well, I guess it’s a start”.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

Did an oil derrick write this?

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

That’s it?

My assumption is that they’re aiming for a penalty sufficient to get people to stop doing stuff like this. You don’t punish for the sake of punishment, but to deter. If they stop, there’s no reason to have more-severe penalties. If people keep doing it anyway, consider the penalties not a deterrent, then I’d assume that sentences will increase in severity.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c880xjx54mpo

The sentences are the longest since the introduction by the last government of the new law of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance, in a bid to clamp down on disruptive protests.

The court heard the intention was to block most of the M25, preventing traffic from other roads from joining the motorway.

The action resulted in chaos on the M25 over four successive days, causing nearly 51,000 hours of driver delays, the court heard. The protests closed parts of the motorway in Kent, Surrey, Essex and Hertfordshire.

People missed flights, medical appointments and exams. Two lorries collided, and a police motorcyclist came off his bike during one of the protests on 9 November 2022 while trying to bring traffic to a halt in a “rolling road block”.

Prosecutors alleged the protests led to an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was put at more than £1.1m.

flamingos ,
@flamingos@feddit.uk avatar

So our prisons are so overfilled that we’re letting some people out early, but we have space for this?

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Well obviously… What’s more important? The well being of the population, or the ability of the ruling class to suppress any resistance? Gotta keep those oil barons happy!

doodledup ,

Yes. Make space for these turds!

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

“They annoy me, so they should be locked up!”

Clown. People like you are why this country is barreling into authoritarianism. Even under Labour.

tal ,
@tal@lemmy.today avatar

“The sentences handed to the five Just Stop Oil campaigners are utterly disproportionate,” environmentalist and author George Monbiot wrote on social media. “Four and five years in prison for peaceful protest? This is what you might expect in Russia or Egypt, not in a supposed democracy.”

due to a four-day direct action protest on the M25 that Just Stop Oil ultimately held in November 2022.

They aren’t being penalized for the content of their speech. If they wanted to run around with signs that argued their point, nobody would have blinked an eye. They’re being penalized for dicking up British transport.

You can say what you want; that’s your political speech. You cannot try and disrupt the country if it isn’t doing what you want.

Russia’s going to go after you for criticizing the war. They have a problem with the political message. What you’re getting in trouble for here is for the disruption, not the message’s content.

catloaf ,

A protest without making waves is just farting in the wind. Even if they do stand in the road, that’s not deserving of multiple years in prison.

saltesc ,

Okay, ignore the protest part for a moment and look at the crime…

A group conspire to intentionally disrupt a major highway, breaking multiple violations including endangerment of motorists, major disruption of public and emergency services, and recruitment of 45 others to aid the intent, causing~ $3M in damages. And, yes, people of the publiic obviously sustained injuries but there is fortunately no known causation of death. This for 4 days resulting in over 700,000 people impacted and an estimated loss of 50,000 hours to the public.

Now that could be for whatever reason. The Tories, MAGA supporters, West Ham losing, or YouTubers; doesn’t matter. The law shows no bias or care and these actions, especially the conspiring and collusion, are certainly multi-year crimes.

catloaf ,

Meanwhile, the cost of climate change and global warming far exceed every measure you’ve quoted, and yet nobody is being imprisoned for causing or accelerating them.

rimu ,
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

I look forward to those causing climate disruption facing a judge.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@quokk.au avatar

The law shows no bias or care

Completely false, the legal system is entirely biased towards the interests of the ruling classes and big business.

and these actions, especially the conspiring and collusion, are certainly multi-year crimes.

Yeah, nah.

Viking_Hippie , (edited )

Okay, ignore the protest part for a moment and look at the crime…

No. The “crime” is the means necessary to make the protest heard.

A group conspire to intentionally disrupt a major highway, breaking multiple violations including endangerment of motorists, major disruption of public and emergency services, and recruitment of 45 others to aid the intent, causing~ $3M in damages. And, yes, people of the publiic obviously sustained injuries but there is fortunately no known causation of death. This for 4 days resulting in over 700,000 people impacted and an estimated loss of 50,000 hours to the public

Which is less than nothing compared to the climate change and direct death caused by the fossil fuel industries out of pure greed every fucking day!

Get out of here with your Texas Sharpshooter fallacy bullshit!

Now that could be for whatever reason. The Tories, MAGA supporters, West Ham losing, or YouTubers; doesn’t matter.

Of COURSE it matters! You can’t just wave away their mission to basically save the world to make only the means matter!

By your metric, not only was Gandhi and Martin Luther King wrong, but so were fucking WWII resistance fighters!

Whether or not you’re white, YOU’RE the moderate MLK is talking about here:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/683d9f89-efff-4fce-80ed-15a9ca883a2b.jpeg

Rivalarrival ,

It’s deserving of being forcibly dragged off the street and chained to a lamp post for a couple days…

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

Then being locked up for a year for being chained to said lamp post?

doodledup ,

You’re against democracy then? You’re advertising anarchy.

roboto ,

Democracy isn’t god given, it’s a societal contract. We decided to give certain powers to certain institutions, and these institutions should serve our interests as citizens.

However what I see currently is that these institutions are working for the interests of the super rich. If you’re a nazi, you’ll get a „you you you“ for supporting an ideology that attempts to overthrow democracy. If you’re protesting against climate change or genocide, you’ll get beaten up by the police, and apparently sentenced to long jail terms to set an example.

It isn’t anarchy to try and force politicians to change. Protest is supposed to be disruptive as others already mentioned.

rimu , (edited )
@rimu@piefed.social avatar

This kind of disruption is exactly what climate change is doing - negativity affecting people just trying to go about their lives and make ends meet. Dumb decisions are being made which causes people with no choice in the matter to suffer.

The question is - why are you angry when poor people do it (on a limited scale, for a few hours) but not angry when rich & powerful people do it (to everyone, forever)?

That's the genius of this kind of protest.

hanrahan ,
@hanrahan@slrpnk.net avatar

Your take is however literally madness. It would be like you protesting on here that somone trying to get people medicine to survive if they raced across town disrupting traffic and you supported them being jailed.

I hope they can keep it up. The stupid attached to people not understating the impacts of climate change is appalling and will collapse civilisation. That’s literally what XR, JSO etal want to try and do, prevent the collapse of civilisation and raise awareness of that so we do something. And people be like “my Uber Eats driver delivered me a cold buger, jail those protestors for life!!!?”

I get you’re not brave enough to do this yourself but you’d think you’d at least support those who are!

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/1dc300a9-1d39-4811-9c79-175ef6c40f7b.jpeg

doodledup ,

This isn’t anarchy mate. There are laws in a democracy too. You’re making no sense.

Viking_Hippie ,

You cannot try and disrupt the country if it isn’t doing what you want.

That’s the only kind of protest that works ffs! Banning and criminalizing disruptive protests is a means of silencing dissent and always has been.

What you’re getting in trouble for here is for the disruption, not the message’s content.

That’s what the liberals said to the original Italian antifascists too. And what “regular white people” in India and South Africa said to Gandhi. And what American liberals said to Martin Luther King.

You may think you’re being magnanimous by supporting their right to silently protest in a corner where nobody notices them, but by advocating against effective means, you’re squarely on the side of the politicians and corporations that they’re protesting against and victimized you.

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