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blazera ,
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Climate change is real. China feels like the only country treating it like its real. I see stories about a country investing heavily in renewable energy, in EVs, in energy storage, and i dont understand why theyre not getting unanimous applause. Other countries are mad because they’re doing better than them and want to drag them down to our gas SUV dependent level. Other countries should feel nothing but shame for not treating climate change like its real.

mosiacmango , (edited )

Because the heavy positives come with some heavy negatives. China is an authoritarian nation that is making huge leaps and bounds here by using unilateral and undemocratic command to shift their nation state. They have near zero labor safety practices and are 100% happy to strip mine theirs or a foreign nation to get the resources to produce these important and valuable goods.

The heavy, direct influence of a billion+ person goverment dumping untold resources into producing EVs/Solar/etc at dirt cheap rates, then selling them, means that no other country can create it’s own independent industry in these very important products. That leaves climate change, and the worlds fate, in the hands of said authoritarian government, a, goverment that is still glad to spin up untold coal plants/oil plants/etc. That’s partly why tariffs have been springing up, although that’s also just flat out economic protectionism too.

Basically, China is brutally efficient here because they are brutal. Countires that are not cant compete or applaud this because its based on destruction of people, and democracies aren’t nominally a fan of that.

The other point here, past the brutality aspect, is that even if China was a shining example of democracy, you still don’t want one nation to be the only one that can produce these key climate change goods. Their oncoming recession is likely going to cause lots of issues with their progress here, so other countries spinning up these industries, even with teething pains, is a positive.

blazera ,
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The heavy, direct influence of a billion+ person goverment dumping untold resources into producing EVs/Solar/etc at dirt cheap rates, then selling them, means that no other country can create it’s own independent industry in these very important products.

Why cant the US dump more resources to compete? Why is the answer to one country investing heavily in climate change fighting technologies not to invest heavily in climate change fighting technologies yourself?

AA5B ,

While China may have more people, certainly the Western countries have much more wealth we could choose to use toward decarbonization

mosiacmango ,

its harder to move money and make decisions in democracies, but it does happen.

Bidens IRA was 1.2 trillion dollars invested in largely climate change and modern infastructure, although with tons of other projects as well. Its a huge commitment. Is it enough?

Maybe not, but at least Democrats aren’t trying to do zero or worse lie their peers.

partial_accumen ,

Climate change is real. China feels like the only country treating it like its real. I see stories about a country investing heavily in renewable energy, in EVs, in energy storage, and i dont understand why theyre not getting unanimous applause.

I think you may be misattributing China’s motives. Yes, China is heavily investing in EVs, batteries, and non-carbon energy generation (solar, wind, hydro). However they’re not doing it because of their deep desire to be green or concern over climate change. They’re doing it because China’s geography is energy poor in a very energy hungry nation. China has just a tiny fraction of fossil fuel sources located in their national borders. That’s a really bad position when your nation is dependent on other nations for the energy you need to grow your food and run your economy. This is why they’re maxed out on:

In fact while the rest of the world is retiring coal for power generation, China is responsible for building 95% of the world’s new coal power plants.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/3fc2622a-c6b7-4229-93a9-f6d78dc9c405.png

Other countries are mad because they’re doing better than them and want to drag them down to our gas SUV dependent level.

Except they’re not doing better in reducing carbon emissions. Not only are they the largest global producer of CO2, they keep dramatically increasing carbon emissions year over year while the rest of the industrialized nations are plateauing or reducing (beside India).

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8c72eb64-fe15-4230-81eb-c5aae1496ebd.png

Other countries should feel nothing but shame for not treating climate change like its real.

If we’re looking at just the numbers (which, I admit, is an incomplete conversation), China is the one that is not treating climate change as real.

AA5B ,

Depends on which numbers you’re looking at.

Your numbers don’t include the massive scale out of renewable energy, transit, and EVs that is outpacing the rest of the world combined. That’s crazy. Your numbers don’t include like 95% of EV buses: crazy. And your numbers don’t include the millions of Chinese still being uplifted to the developed world suddenly needing energy.

Most of all, your numbers don’t include progress toward decarbonization targets. Every country could define their own, but China is ahead of what they promised and most of the rest of us are behind

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