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umbrella ,
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its gonna be covid all over again

afraid_of_zombies ,

You mean working from home, seeing wildlife in my city, having an excuse to not spend time with people who annoy me, day drinking.

Oh no please anything but that

BallsandBayonets ,

You mean extended unemployment, seeing people turn medical fact into political beliefs, not having the opportunity to spend time with the few people that don’t annoy me, and day drinking?

Please sir may we have another

Sparkles ,
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I’m afraid, depending on the administration, it might be hard to protect myself and others with what was previously considered common sense …vaccination, protective equipment, etc

trevor ,

Banning animal agriculture is the only way to prevent this. Animal exploitation is why we get most zoonotic pandemics, and continuing to allow to to happen will result in more suffering for everyone else.

SlopppyEngineer ,

Unfortunately, dealing with the cause instead of dumping the costs of dealing with the consequences to somebody else is something humanity is very bad at.

CheeseNoodle ,

Or at the very least we could accept lower yields and stop feeding animals so many antibiotics that they make up the majority of all use. Less overcrowding, less diesease and less antibiotic resistance.

QuincyPeck ,

The world learned nothing from Covid, so I’m not optimistic.

mecfs ,

As someone disabled by covid, I think the world even regressed by covid.

Pre-covid we didn’t have half the population denying that a common virus existed or refusing to get vaccinated.

macrocephalic ,

I tried arguing with an anti COVID vaxer recently and pointed out that in my country there were 14 deaths linked to the vaccine, but over 65M doses administered, which means that you’re significantly more likely to die in the car on the way to get vaccinated than from the vaccine itself - but apparently I’m the fool for trusting government collected figures. I don’t understand how they think the government is hiding all these supposed deaths.

GoofSchmoofer ,
@GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve dealt with this too from an anti-vaxxer. It’s really frustrating when you can’t even agree on a common source for the data being discussed.

With this person, every source I told them I got my information from was wrong or biased - yet that same rebuttal from me about their sources were loudly talked over and/or the goal posts were moved.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Psssshhhhh! That’s not true. That’s not true at all!

Businesses learned they could absolutely fuck EVERYONE with false inflation, and reworking the rules for how businesses work.

Spoiler: it’s not in your favor.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Spoiler: they’re not.

Aurenkin ,

I don’t know, I’m sure we can be doing more but it seems like there is at least vaccine development and such starting pretty early so that seems positive to me.

RootBeerGuy ,
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There’s no development needed. We got a vaccine as this is not a new strain. Flu vaccines just in general aren’t that great, so you need good coverage and enough doses. You can probably tell where I am going with this, I am not sure any country is procuring or producing enough vaccines for the worst case scenario.

Aurenkin ,

None needed but I think there is a new mRNA vaccine being developed now. Your point remains though because it’s all moot if we don’t have doses when we need them.

ZagamTheVile ,

Or, you know, get enough people to get them.

Gsus4 ,
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Just let people sign liability waivers. You wanna go party during a pandemic and not take the vaccine? Ok, sign this and you’re free to go.

But if you end up in hospital, you will automatically be behind everyone in line for care if there is triage. If they insist so much on personal responsibility, then give it to them: do you want to have access to modern healthcare or not?

Shapillon ,

It still means that much more potential carriers and that much more odds of any inconvenient mutation happening.

I’d advocate for the Frencg method: in case of a measle epidemic, vaccination is mandated by law and cops can just simply knock at your door and grab your ass ^^

dubyakay ,

This would work in the US if insurance companies did it.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Alright…but, have you not been paying attention the past 4 years? Half this country (USA) REFUSES to get vacinated. I feel like at this point earth has just had enough of humans. So now it’s like “ok, covid killed 1 million of them. Lets do that…again.”

And here’s the thing, humans as a collective don’t learn. There are comics from the early 1900s making fun of the people who refuse to wear masks to help against an often forgotten about global pandemic that killed like 20% of people globally. Your body would turn blue, because your insides filled with fluids, and you literally drown from with inside your own body. Morgues and hospitals were overflowing with bodies. People still refused to wear masks, and take medicine.

Now I don’t trust these precautions to work, until they are vast and manditory. I’m at the point where people need to be treated like children. Actually thats not true. 4 years ago when the vaccine for came out, my niece was 8 years old. She got the vacine of her own decision, and said “that was nothing!”. Which is true.

So basically I think some children are more mature than vast swarms of the general public, and this means simply releasing a vaccine isn’t NEARLY enough.

Aurenkin ,

Well, I’d love to say I disagree with you but I think even just the last few years would prove you right. Let’s just hope we don’t have any outbreak that means we have to be at the mercy of other people’s psychosis again.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Well, buckle up. Because 2024 is an election year. And even if you don’t live in the USA, our dumbassery still affects the rest of the world. Just as Chinas corruption affected the world in 2019/2020.

And election year + devisive topic = idiots acting on emotion rather than logic.

Aurenkin ,

Yeah, I don’t live in the US but if Trump gets in there’s a decent chance it will directly put my family in danger. I have no control over that though so I try not to think about it too much.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Is it sad that really doesn’t narrow down where you live that trump would put you in danger?

I mean, it could be Ukraine. It could be Mexico. I don’t even know what his thoughts on Isreal/Gaza are, but I assume his opinions on that are shit as well.

Hell, you might even live in Greenland. He tried to buy Greenland again, and rename it to trumpland.

His ego knows no bounds, and his empathy is nonexistant.

macrocephalic ,

The sad part is that I bet he couldn’t point to most of those countries on a map

Lost_My_Mind ,

“Why is America so small on this map? Why are we not the only country? People tell me, no it’s it’s true, they do, they say America is the only country on the map. Everybody knows it. Our maps are yuge. We have the best maps. You know in the 1980s, I was going to buy a map making factory. All the jobs would stay in America, instead of going to ChGina. We would print all the maps if I did that. Everybody would want a trump map. That’s what they’d call it, because everybody loves me. And then I would buy Greenland, and keep the Mexicans out of the borders. We would have built a wall on the borders of Greenland and Mexico. The Mexicans would be so happy that we’re providing them shade. They’d even pay for our beautiful wall. Better than the great wall of ChGina!”

I feel like my only two mistakes in this impersonation are:

  1. It’s too coherent.
  2. It stayed on topic.

Ideally he would never fully finish a sentence, yet still somehow come off as racist. All the while drifting from topic to topic, while also saying nothing at all.

macrocephalic ,

We spent all our public health goodwill on COVID. A sizable portion of the population will never accept any further restrictions for public health reasons. A smaller but still concerningly large portion will not get any new vaccines because of this.

cmbabul ,

We went into debt with public health goodwill about 3 months into COVID

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