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Unequipped and outgunned, Ukrainian military often can’t evacuate its wounded

The main reason for the absence of medical evacuation is simple and gruesome: The fighting is just too intense.

It can take a day or even two for soldiers to get in and out of the fiercest fighting spots – killing any hopes of medics coming to save the wounded.

Left alone at the positions, the soldiers often have to pull out their comrades on their own under heavy shelling, sometimes walking five to seven kilometers to the nearest evacuation points, where vehicles take them to makeshift hospitals.

When soldiers carry their wounded out, the group is easy to spot – and it immediately becomes easy prey to Russian first-person view (FPV) drones and artillery.

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das_monk ,

But NATO promised they would provide!

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

NATO won’t do enough because they’ve depended on the US for too long. Now, half the government is held hostage by Russian assets and they will let the world burn for a taste of power and wealth.

aodhsishaj ,

War is, and has always been about logistics and material. Russia has China propping them up now. The west cannot send money to fight bombs. Ukrainian forces need air support and artillery shells, full stop.

Until the Ukrainian Forces get a substantial arms package, Russia will keep throwing unskilled bodies at Ukrainian trenches.

This is how Russian doctrine has always worked. Throw bodies at the problem until there are no more bodies. Encourage women to have more children. Rinse and repeat.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

But the libs told me we would never use Ukraine as cannon fodder to just weaken Russia.

ManixT ,

What an absolutely disgusting and idiotic take on the war started solely by the fascist and imperialist state of Russia.

There are one and only one people to blame for the deaths in Ukraine - Russia.

They chose to steal territory that is not theirs, they chose to murder people in their own homes. There was never any threat to Russia. This is purely about Russia’s desire to steal and murder.

You trying to frame American support for Ukraine as using them as human fodder is absolutely pathetic. You deserve to live in Russia.

eardon ,

Not really.

Every western military commander has been saying Ukraine is an investment for the West.

None of them said Ukraine could win.

You’re just upset he’s saying things that go against your indoctrination. You’re arguing with yourself more than him, really.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Aside from your three paragraphs of ad hominems you forgot to include the part where you disprove that the we used Ukrainians as cannon fodder.

There were peace talks around 2022 and America and the UK told Ukraine to deny the negotiations because “we 100% got them fam no cap on a stack”

Then we gave them our stockpile of old mortars while sending F35’s to israel. And after depleting that we’re now abandoning Ukraine.

Zipitydew ,

Flag them and move on. That account is one of the dumbest tankies here on lemmy. No argument made will be in good faith.

eardon ,

Yeah, they don’t really live in reality.

papertowels ,

The conservatives are voting for Ukraine to be outgunned and unequipped, put blame where it belongs.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

They voted to block bombs for israel as well while it was bundled with the Ukraine bill. Genocide Joe bypassed congress and secretly sent israel arms anyways.

It’s difficult to understand how people still fall for these theatrics.

bradorsomething ,

It’s starting to be like it was for russia the first winter

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

It’s not looking good for Ukraine. :(

wagesj45 ,
@wagesj45@kbin.run avatar

Honestly it isn't looking good for any of us.

eardon ,

We’ll probably be fine.

Don’t believe those who say Ukraine falling is the end of the world just like you shouldn’t believe them when they said Ukraine could win.

This is a lesson in propaganda and indoctrination for us all. Only fools think these are tools exclusive to their enemies.

deafboy ,
@deafboy@lemmy.world avatar

Ukraine falling means the war moves on to other countries. Russia can’t afford to not have a foreign enemy at this point. If it runs out of enemies, it implodes. By sacrificing ukraine, we get nothing in return.

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Russian propaganda and kompromat is working as intended. Putin has proven that the cohesion of western democratic states can be broken with almost no effort, as a result we will see a completely unprecedented rise in territory grabbing and fascist dictatorships over the next 20 years.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I mean, cutting checks to all the republicans might make him break a sweat. He’s got a big payroll.

Diplomjodler3 , (edited )

You may find them surprisingly affordable, sir.

Corkyskog ,

It’s why the US needs to resolve its congress rep situation. If they fixed it, you would need to buy off like 2.2x more reps lol

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

You do realize the Democrats are still in power right? You cannot blame it on Republicans yet.

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

You do realise that it’s a republican house, right? And that they’re the ones holding up aid, right?

eardon ,

That means there’s nothing the democrats can do :(

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

No they are not. Biden is holding up aid.

Or can he only bypass congress and do secret arms deals for israel?

papertowels ,

Hold on, for the record Republicans most certainly are holding up aid to Ukraine.

Your first link errors out

Re: the second link, do you know if we’re selling arms to Ukraine, or giving it to them?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Fixed the first link.

Republicans most certainly are holding up aid to Ukraine.

Irrelevant. Biden is abusing his presidential powers to enable literal Genocide. He could easily abuse his powers in the same way to get weapons to Ukraine

Joe Biden Could Send Millions Of Artillery Shells To Ukraine, For Free, Tomorrow. And It’s Perfectly Legal.

If you say “Biden doesn’t want to break the rules like Trump” that’s one thing, but that excuse doesn’t hold up because he already does it for israel.

papertowels ,

So let me get this straight, instead of blaming people who are actively acting against something, you are focusing instead on someone who isn’t abusing a loophole?

That doesn’t set the stage up for a very reasonable conversation, and suggests that you’re wanting to discuss Israel/Gaza moreso than Ukraine, so I don’t see a need to engage in conversation.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

So let me get this straight, instead of blaming the person in power you blame random peons and deflect from it even though you have just been presented with evidence that this person can clearly do so

papertowels ,

Random peons being the ones elected to pass policy and control the budget, right?

And the president only being able to help if he blatantly abused a loophole, right?

If that’s the case, yeah you’ve got it right. I do think that the contingent of folks who are acting against providing aid are more responsible than the person who isn’t abusing a loophole to help.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

the person who isn’t abusing a loophole to help.

You have just been linked evidence that Biden is abusing the loopholes. For israel. So that entire argument goes out of the window.

Genocide Joe does abuse his presidential powers. He does it for israel when Republicans are blocking their weapons. He does not do it for Ukraine.

papertowels ,

Genocide Joe does abuse his presidential powers. He does it for israel /when Republicans are blocking their weapons. He does not do it for Ukraine. /

Can we talk about the conditional you put on your statement here?

Are you just going to pretend that doesn’t exist?

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no the Republicans are most definitely trying to screw over Ukraine. The claim is that Russian propaganda, aka only the Republican party is responsible here. In reality both sides are responsible for. Democrats have the power to do something about it if they wanted. But it is looking more and more like the West using Ukrainians as cannon fodder for a few years against Russia and then abandoning them was the plan all along.

Boris Johnson Pressured Zelenskyy to Ditch Peace Talks With Russia: Ukrainian Paper

“The British government has become an obstacle to peace in Ukraine,” said the Stop the War Coalition. “The conflict there is developing into a proxy war between Russia and NATO and it is the Ukrainian people who will suffer the consequences.”

Lets see if Ukrainians will join the long list of allies used to fight an enemy and then thrown aside. I’m sure the Kurds will welcome them with open arms.

papertowels ,

Okay, so now that we’ve cleared that up, we’re still selling Ukraine arms, as of 4 days ago…

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh cool I haven’t read about that one before. So Biden did find out how to abuse his powers for Ukraine as well

The sale will require temporary-duty travel to Europe of an estimated five U.S. government employees and 15 contractor representatives to support training and sustainment, the official said.Presidential drawdown authority had been used previously to transfer HAWK equipment to Ukraine. That provision allows the United States to transfer defense articles and services from American stocks quickly without congressional approval in response to an emergency.

So basically all we need is Biden doing this a few hundred times more and then Ukraine has the arms it needs.

eardon ,

This isn’t propaganda. It’s reality.

Ukraine cannot win without foreign troops on the ground. They never had the capability.

youngGoku ,

I think this point was not to claim this article is propaganda, but rather that Russia and other dictatorships can continue to invade other countries with minor consequences because they can spin whatever narrative they need and sow division in the worlds political powers by spreading lies and mistruths on fringe news channels and social media.

eardon ,

invade other countries with minor consequences because they cab spin whatever narrative they need and sow division

Where have I seen this before…

boredtortoise ,

Basically every world power is a reactionary right-wing oligarchy with either a bourgeoisie “democracy” or straight up dictatorship. So yeah you and we see it all the time.

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This article is not propaganda, yes. I am saying the previous two years of subversive efforts by Putin have successfully seized up the political war support machine that would have otherwise made Russia’s offensive a lost cause.

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