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This is the best summary I could come up with:

In recent days, top officials from the U.S., Israel’s staunchest ally which has provided key military and diplomatic support, have publicly voiced their frustration with Netanyahu and his government.

Netanyahu said that calls for an election now — which polls show he would lose badly — would force Israel to stop fighting and would paralyze the country for six months.

“No international pressure will stop us from realizing all of the goals of the war: Eliminating Hamas, freeing all of our hostages and ensuring that Gaza never again constitutes a threat to Israel,” he said.

Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul-general in New York and an outspoken critic of Netanyahu, said that the prime minister’s comments fit with his efforts to find someone else to blame should Israel not achieve its goal of destroying Hamas.

But pressure also comes from home, with thousands protesting again in Tel Aviv on Saturday night against Netanyahu’s government and calling for a new election and a deal to free remaining hostages.

At least 11 people from the Thabet family, including five children and one woman, were killed in an airstrike in Deir al-Balah city in central Gaza, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and an Associated Press journalist.

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drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

Great, then we should stop funding their government and military spending. If they won’t stop, we can. Of course we won’t, but we could and should.

Aurenkin ,

Yeah seriously what the fuck is going on. Where’s the line, is there even a line?

Plopp ,

There is none.

slaacaa ,

Not since Kissinger

Burn_The_Right ,

I cannot find a single person on earth that can give a valid reason for sending them any money or armament whatsoever. We gain absolutely nothing from supporting them. Nothing at all.

Conservatives cry crocodile tears about “wasting money”. Every penny ever sent to Israel has been wasted. It’s not an investment. There is no return. There is no political or financial gain of any kind for us.

Maalus ,

US gains an ally in a very important region of the world. They have huge strategic value. Saying there is nothing is misguided.

Wizard_Pope ,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Like they really need an ally there to bomb middle east to rubble.

Nudding ,

Maybe fuck off and mind your own business hey?

ghostdoggtv ,

Had.

They had huge strategic value.

Maalus ,

What do you mean, they are still there, the US can still use their shit if they need to.

ghostdoggtv ,

Tactical value is fleeting. Israel is the reason we can’t afford anything for domestic civilians since 2001.

cogman , (edited )

We have an ally next door, Jordan.

We’d probably have more allies if we dropped support.

What we are doing is equivalent to us deciding to support North Korea and being shocked that all of a sudden we lose regional support from just about everyone.

Israel, especially with an ongoing genocide, is toxic to stability and alliances. It isolates more than it gives strategic advantage.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Everyone keeps ignoring Jordan but it literally has the best cultural and economic relations with the US. Were they not even together in the anti ISIS coalition?

But nope, Israeli lobbying is stronger than all of our voices combined.

fustigation769curtain ,

Looks like allying with Israel has only been detrimental to the US. It’s been great for Zionists who need the US’ protection, though.

Osama bin Laden cited US’ support for Israel as one of the reasons for the 9/11 attacks.

Think about the billions, or perhaps trillions, of dollars the US has lost out on because of its support of Israel.

We need to drop them like a bad habit.

Maalus ,

Okay, what’s your point? I’m stating a fact. They have high strategic value. I don’t need to be convinced that it’s expensive or risky

fustigation769curtain ,

Re-read my comment until it makes sense.

I was very clear about my point from the very beginning.

Maalus ,

I re read it. I still don’t see why you decided to respond to me stating a fact with a rant. I don’t really care about your opinion and I’m not here to debate whether the US should still support Israel.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Drop that reddit shit and just explain when someone asks.

fustigation769curtain ,

Lol, what?

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

“Re read my comment until it makes sense”

How reddit-y.

SulaymanF ,

You say they have value as an ally. What benefit has the alliance had for the US? Did Israel contribute soldiers to Iraq or Afghanistan? Did Israel support the Obama administration’s JCPOA or did they try to undermine it and kill it?

It’s a one-way alliance.

Kiosade ,

Why do we need to be involved in the region at all? We’ve only done more harm than good.

Maalus ,

Why are you asking me this?

Kiosade ,

Because you said they provide huge strategic value. What value is that? Why do we even need to have bases in that area to begin with?

Maalus ,

Because it’s part of the US power projection. Asking that is like asking “why does the US need to do anything outside their borders”.

Kiosade ,

Fair!

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not misguided it’s reactionary nonsense. It’s people who literally have no idea what they are talking about and it’s obvious to anyone that does.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region. In practice the government of Israel has been on a hard right slide for decades and have been openly denying basic human rights to the people stranded in Gaza.

Burn_The_Right ,

In theory, you could make an argument about defending the people living in a hostile region.

There are vulnerable groups in the middle east. Why lavish only this one with billions of dollars of munitions? We do not have any valid reason to support them any more than any other vulnerable group.

drdabbles ,
@drdabbles@lemmy.world avatar

The history of post WW2 era is the forcing function. For better or worse.

frezik ,

Keep protesting. It’s giving the political capital needed for US politicians to say “hey, maybe we should change our relationship with Israel, here”. I know that doesn’t sound like much, but in terms of world politics, it’s a huge change already for them to be able to say that.

JustZ , (edited )
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Sure you can you’re sticking your head in the sand.

It’s to maintain Israel’s defensive posture as to Iran.

Our weapons and money is not necessary for Israel to carpet bomb all of Gaza and the West Bank several times over before suspending aid altered Israel’s posture as to Gaza.

So right now cotinued support is America’s only leverage. See? Not complicated at all.

Cethin ,

I saw a comment the other day that she’d a lot of light on this. Us Military aid to Israel suppresses Israeli arms manufacturing, because they have less need, and boosts their reliance on US arms. It essentially promotes US arms sales not just in Israel, but across the world, as Israel has a fairly strong military industrial complex as is.

Is this a good reason? That’s debatable. It’s a better reason than none though, and it makes things a lot clearer.

halferect ,

Strategic Military advantage and I assume access to massad or some collaboration with them and if we stopped every Muslim country would eradicate Isreal at which point the same people yelling genocide Joe would be screaming for us to help Isreal. It’s global politics and its not black and white. Oh and global weapons sales, after all the united states government is more or less just a weapons dealer

Seleni ,

Yes, there is. A lot of the higher-ups in government believe that Israel is necessary for the Rapture to take place. All the Jews will go there, and then get killed, and all the rich white men here will go to heaven.

I wish I was even joking, but I’m not. They’ll keep Israel going at all costs because of this.

unphazed ,

Seven Mountain followers want this fight to end horribly. They’re actually attempting to hasten it.

GrymEdm , (edited )

I’m sure AIPAC has told Netanyahu they won’t let US politicians stop the flow of money and arms to Israel (AIPAC is spending 100 million to keep progressives out of office). The criticism is just theater. Biden only started changing his language when people started voting “uncommitted” in battleground states, and he is still shipping arms to Israel every 36 hours. The Israeli blockade of humanitarian aid is barely mentioned officially, the air-dropped aid is woefully inadequate and little more than virtue signalling. 3 months ago, when Gazan civilian casualties were at 21,000+, Congress passed a bill making criticizing Zionism/Israel legally equal to antisemitism. All this shows that Netanyahu just needs to keep accepting aid and let Biden talk for political reasons until he’s re-elected.

TWeaK ,

Jewish Hitler.

ad_on_is ,
@ad_on_is@lemmy.world avatar

actually…Israeli Hitler would be more appropriate. Not all Jews support Ben (and Israel in that matter) … But most Israelis do seem to support Ben, otherwise they could’ve just just gathered around the gov building and demanded his step-down.

pjwestin ,
@pjwestin@lemmy.world avatar

No, he’s pretty unpopular there, most polls say that Benny Gantz would beat him easily in an election. That doesn’t mean that they object to his approach to Gaza, or that Gantz would be any better for the Palestinian people.

urfavlaura ,

total victory sounds like “wollt ihr den totalen krieg”

DarkDarkHouse ,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

And what, pray tell, is “total victory”?

Burn_The_Right ,

You know… Total as in “Final” and victory as in “Solution”. It’s more polite than saying genocide.

Akasazh , (edited )
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

It’s when you win the total war.

Edit /s, as in reference to this: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech

DarkDarkHouse ,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Gaza’s army, navy and air force have all been defeated. I guess the rest is winning over the locals’ hearts and minds now, right?

Akasazh , (edited )
@Akasazh@feddit.nl avatar

I don’t think my sarcasm shone through to you. The term was used by Goebbels in a 1943 speech inspiring the German people for war until extermination.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sportpalast_speech

IndustryStandard ,

And after all Palestinians in Gaza are murdered, Netanyahu will bring up that Hamas is also in the West Bank and Lebanon.

Viking_Hippie ,

And after that, maybe Jordan. Then perhaps Syria. Fascists can’t stay in power without whipping up xenophobia.

xc2215x ,

He knows he has to. Otherwise people would not support him.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

All Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, too? At this rate it will take Israel another 67 years! And then also Lebanon? Lebanon has a million more people than Gaza and the West Bank combined. Won’t check the math on this one but that’ll make it like what, another 90 years.

NABDad ,

Israel has decided to implement a “final solution” to the “Palestinian question”.

carl_dungeon ,

Yes mein führer! heels click

SlopppyEngineer ,

It should be known as “The Israeli Self-Defense Genocide” in the history books.

aeronmelon ,

The needs of the many outweigh the Netanyahu.

Milk_Sheikh ,

The needs of Israel outweigh the Netanyahu.

Him trying to doggedly ‘crush’ Hamas (an impossible goal politically) whilst refusing to see the larger picture is an outstanding dereliction of duty to the country as a whole

The northern border is increasingly heating up with Hezbollah targeting IDF bases directly and with larger ordnance - in a few months it has progressed from lowly ATGMs and 80s tech, to Grad and Burkan rocket artillery. There’s now more frequent attacks on northern towns and settlements because of their increasing firepower brought in

International condemnation is widespread, your neighbors to the east and south are publicly taking about ‘changes in security treaties’ with Israel and threatening unilateral action, an ICJ judgment that is sustained into war crimes investigations, and top US official and leaders are talking about ‘red lines’ and implicitly threatening continuing US military aid - that’s a big problem.

Even if you accept the ‘4D chess’ angle that Bibi is dealing with Iran Hamas completely to remove that threat before taking care of Iran Hezbollah, that ignores the global reality that the world, not just the Arab/Islamic world, isn’t going to sit by and let you ignore ~2 million Palestinians, today or tomorrow.

Israel is totally capable of winning the battle against Hamas, no doubt. But by doing so they will loose the wider war, isolate themselves politically, and make their own survival harder without friendly nations in a rough neighborhood.

theotherverion ,

Good point, the scale of this military operation is useless considering the goal. Even if hamas is completely removed, another radical group would probably emerge somewhere nearby.

SulaymanF ,

Netanyahu only sharpened the resolve of the Palestinian public. He banned peaceful protest, he punished Palestinians for boycotts or asking the UN for help. He sidelined moderates and undermined the PA. When you get rid of moderates and nonviolent protest, you can’t be surprised when people turn to violence.

theotherverion ,

May I ask what non-violent protest are you talking about?

SulaymanF ,

The 2018-2019 nonviolent protests in Gaza that the Israeli military fired on and killed 226.

theotherverion ,

Are you referring to the March of return when they literally illegally crossed borders of Israel?

SulaymanF , (edited )

Israel creates racist apartheid laws and illegally starved Gazans in a blockade and you’re mad that people nonviolently broke some of those laws in an attempt to demand their human rights?

Human rights violations and unjust imprisonment of an entire population are not something anyone should be expected to just “obey.” Next you’ll be telling me Jews were breaking laws when they tried to escape the Warsaw ghetto.

theotherverion ,

First of all, Israel left Gaza in 2005. They no longer govern it. In addition, they have been allowing huge amounts of cash flowing into the region and they are even unable to impose a full blockade considering the border with Egypt. If Palestinians are so peace-loving individuals, why the relations with Egpyt are far from ideal, too? Hence why it is mostly Hamas responsible for the situation in Gaza.

So yes, a response is fully excepted if members of a different state (that by the way wants to exterminate Israel) illegally cross the border.

SulaymanF ,

No. Israel pulled its settlements out of Gaza but they land and sea blockaded it since 2007 and turned it into an open air prison and kept bombing it. Israel controls all the borders, including the Egypt crossings due to their treaty with Egypt that allows them veto power over who can cross from Egypt.

Egypt is a dictatorship that mistreats minorities, if you want to compare Israel favorably to them then be my guest.

theotherverion , (edited )

It literally cannot control the Egypt border considering the fact they are not in. If Gaza had normal relationship with Egypt, maybe we could start believing Israel is the problem here but if none of Gaza’s neighbors/any other Muslim countries are willing to take Gazans in, the problem must be somewhere else than in Israel.

Edit: Before 7th of October, there were more people of Gaza coming to Israel on daily bases rather than to Egypt. Why are we blaming israel of “occupation” and not Egypt?

SulaymanF ,

Under a 2007 agreement between Egypt and Israel, Egypt controls the crossing but imports through the Rafah crossing require Israeli approval.

amp.theguardian.com/…/rafah-border-crossing-could…

www.thehindu.com/news/…/article67437358.ece

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Based on what are you saying this? Are you trying to make it sound like there is something inherently wrong with Gazans? Genetically maybe? Or are you trying to imply that Egypt’s attempt to prevent a Nakba 2.0 is somehow actually just a reflection of this weird ass racist trend?

If Israel puts people in an open air prison then bombs the shit out of them so hard that everyone starts calling Bibi Hitler, then how is this the fault of Gazans?

Unless I detect racism of course. That smug “smart” racism with the whole “iM jUsT sAyIng” attitude?

It would be better for everyone if you would refrain from beating around this bush.

theotherverion ,

I have never said that there is something genetically wrong with Gazans. However, it’s a simple fact no one is willing to take them during the war compared to Ukrainians, for example.

It’s an unfortunate situation for them because the leading party is an extremely radical leadership that radicalizes the whole population. Is it their fault? In my opinion no but at the same time certain attacks and escalations cannot be justified.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Is it a simple fact or is it some BS you pulled out of your behind?

theotherverion ,

Did any country take Palestinians in during this (or any) escalation?

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, etc.

theotherverion ,

Yes and there was a military conflict between them and the country that has taken them each time.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

But your point is still wrong…

Don’t squirm around like that. Live up to the shit yoy say.

theotherverion ,

What are you referring to as wrong. Were there uprisings each time someone took Palestinians? Yes.

So maybe that’s one of the reasons no one is willing to take them compared to Ukrainians.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Uprising or not, it still cpntradicts your claim about how no country took them in. No point changing goalposts. Your claim wss falsw, just admit it.

Every one of those countries has Palestinian refugees (I am one of them). Jordan may be a shithole, but they never rejected Palestinian refugees even after all the business with the freedom fighters.

You are trying to twist this. Why should they go anywhere??? Their fucking home is Gaza and Palestine. Egypt knows that if Israel ethnically cleanses Palestinians again, they will never be able to return. So please, stop twisting and turning. There is nothing wrong with Gazans or Pallestinians, and honestly any claim otherwise just stinks or racism.

What if I asked myself this question about Jews??? Would that be acceptable to you?

If not, then why on earth would it be acceptable to me?

theotherverion ,

Why should Gazans go anywhere? Simply because there is a war in their country. That does not mean they are leaving forever. Just like thousands of civilians left Ukraine when the war started does not mean they will never return home.

I am not saying there is something wrong with Gazans or that this situation is their fault, however, I at the same time fully understand that no other country would temporarily take them in. Also, how my claim is wrong? How many refugees from Gaza left the area since the beginning of this escalation?

Edit: Regarding Jews: I think it’s completely understandable for civilians to temporarily leave Israel when the war is there. Of course, only if other countries would be okay to take them in.

snek , (edited )
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

It doesn’t mean they are leaving forever? Lmfao.

Then why am I not in an apartment in Tel Aviv now (where my father’s family was ethnically cleansed from during the Nakba)??

Edit: seriously, I’d like an answer. Why was the fucking ethnic cleansing of my family never fixed? Why did I never have the right tp return? And how would you gurantee this to Gazans?

theotherverion ,

Guarantee is unfortunately impossible. Like in every war. It’s a choice between staying in the battlefield and risking your life or leaving and risking your country.

Regarding Nakba: it was not right. Israel shouldn’t have done that just like muslim countries shouldn’t have expelled Jews.

And the reason why it was not fixed is simply because backtracking all humanity’s mistakes is not possible and creation of new states/regimes usually have these consequences.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Ah thanks, so I should settle simply because Israel is unwilling to make amends or fix annything. Got it. /s

theotherverion ,

Rather because tracking back all mistakes humanity ever did is nonsensical.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Right, so how would you gurantee a right of return for Gazans? They would be idiots to leave given Israel’s history of ethbic cleansing and land theft.

theotherverion ,

I cannot guarantee that. It would have to be guaranteed by the government in Gaza.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Right… I really wonder where you get this nonsense from.

But no, Israel is the one who would prevent them from returning, just like it prevented every single one of my grandparents and their families from every returning.

theotherverion , (edited )

Is it a rule that because you lived somewhere, you have ultimate rights to that place or what? So theoretically if I find out that my ancestors owned a huge castle 1500 years ago, should I be able to just claim it?

edit: grammar fixes

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

… Now I am sure you ar a troll.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

First of all, Israel left Gaza in 2005. They no longer govern it.

This is such a pathetic excuse, not to mention just a parrot point of pro-Zionist racists.

So they left Gaza, and yet they control every fucking thing that goes in and out?? Looks like they just left so they can keep making this pathetic point while still cutting off water and electricity whenever they feel like it.

Get that head out of that ass please.

theotherverion ,

If Israel controls the import so much, how come they have so many weapons and so much money?

If they were as locked as you say, they would not be able to create such an attack.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Dude, smuggling.

If Israel didn’t control so much, it would not have been able to block aid and water and electricity and internet with ease.

theotherverion ,

Why is Gaza reliant on a state they are in a war with in the first place?

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Because that state is the one at war with them… they stole their lands, displaced them, and bombed them every few years for resisting colonialism and invasion.

You would not find it acceptable to live under thr rule of an occupier, so why should I as a Palestinian?

theotherverion ,

I don’t know how organizing terrorist attacks from time to time and then refusing 2 state solution can be considered a resistance. EDIT: To me it seems like they chose the all or nothing route.

Also, it is still counter productive for Palestinians to attack israel when they are reliant of them.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know how being an apartheid state all the time for 75+ years then refusing a two state solution can be considered a democratic legal state…

You make it sound like Palestinians are dogs fed by Israelis… if you colonize a nation, you are obliged to provide for them. If Israel doesn’t want Gazans to be “reliant” on their “generous donations” of food and water, they should not have sieged them and abused them day in and day out.

theotherverion ,

Issue with this argument is that there was never a palestinian state. It was ruled by Britain and then Britain left and let UN decide. UN decided to create 2 news states that never existed before. It was not like someone had a state before and then UN came and chopped part of it.

snek ,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

And yet Jews in America in 1936 were like: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/888a621a-a79a-4acf-ba36-697bef009a2f.jpeg

Palestinian identity existed all along. They would have gotten independence like Jordan or any other distinct group around them.

Instead, the Nakba happened. I wonder why…

theotherverion ,

There was an offer to create Palestine but it was declined.

Rapidcreek ,

64% of Israelis support early elections.

spiderplant ,

The opposition is just as genocidal and 90% of Jewish Israelis(80% of the population) believe appropriate or not enough force is being used.

Elections won’t change a thing.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Sounds like Bibi is trying to implement some sort of “final solution” with regards to the Palestinians.

It is truly flabbergasting to watch the Israeli government categorically ignore the incredibly obvious and terrible irony here.

theangryseal , (edited )

It just proves to me that people are people.

How can we get to the root of our problems if we continue to group people from different regions as separate and distinct?

We’re all the same species. We’re humans dehumanizing humans to make killing humans easier under the leadership of a tiny fraction of our species fighting to go down in history. Same as it ever was.

Even when we do our absolute best to be good to each other, we still break ourselves into groups. “You can’t wear braids, that’s cultural appropriation!” The person who says that means well, but ultimately we have to stop treating each other as, well, other.

The only thing that makes us any different is actually something that we should strive to see as similarity. That is which individuals from which time influenced what area and how that don’t really matter and was just luck (or bad luck) of the draw.

So what if 3,000 years ago some dude thought it was cool to paint stripes on his face and wear a big hat which lead to millions painting stripes on their faces while wearing big hats over there in a distant land.

It’s the same damn thing as some dude over here thinking that a white wig and a big frilly shirt was rad and millions following in his footsteps.

It really is simple. Our cultures are built from people who came and went before us and folks following them and spreading the rad (or ugly) shit they did.

Our culture has to reach a point where it is considered a collective and shared human culture.

Who fucked who, where, and how much influence they left on their descendants and how much we give a shit about the where isn’t helping us. If an alien abducted 10 humans from different regions they wouldn’t even give a thought to how our history separates us. They’d just have 10 of a species from the planet earth.

I hope we get it together one day. It breaks my heart that those people are suffering so terribly right now. The malnourished kids in those photos remind me of the ones from the holocaust.

It would be nice if the people in power could relate their suffering to that of their grandparents. It really would.

Sorry I’m all over the place.

Fluke ,

I disagree. You’re pretty on target with that.

The diversity we have as a species is -and always has been- our greatest strength. It means a subset of us can usually do at least “ok” under any given situation.

The same thing is what made some poxy little island able to rule a vast swathe of the planet. The UK took the best of everything it encountered, and added it to it’s own, like the Borg. Of course, like everywhere else that’s run by plutocrats, in an effort to keep us all divided anything “foreign” is currently bad, and to be shunned.

Milk_Sheikh ,

The UK took the best of everything it encountered, and added it to it’s own, like the Borg.

The Empire was built from the Agricultural and Industrial Revolution, and the +15 year head start the British got over the rest of the world. The coupling of massive domestic economic growth with an international system of spoils and conquest lead to the Age of Sail and the gilded era for Britain, not an adherence to objective, rational facts and ideas.

The advantage of developing earlier lead to much of the leading research, science and practices coming from Britain, but they certainly had enough hubris to ignore better ideas that weren’t their own

Harbinger01173430 ,

Easiest suction is to make first contact and turn an entire alien species into the ‘other’ we always need to have and hate. Humanity will learn to cooperate by force then

in4aPenny ,

Same as it ever was.

Only since around 600BC when coin turned money from a quantitive measurement of debt into a protection racket against soldiers, mercenaries and thugs (military colonialism wouldn’t be possible without this redefinition of money). Yeah, there were always societies with ruthless hierarchies, but they weren’t the norm. Yeah, there was always inequality in wealth or physical ability, but wealth wasn’t always used to lord over and deprive from eachother. The norm for most of humanities 200,000+ years were societies of cooperation, a colourful carnival of experimental politics of the likes we couldn’t even dream of nowadays. Ruthless and brutal hierarchies famously collapse because communities actively decided to abandon them, move elsewhere, and create something new and better. Human history is marked by stories of societies who reject arbitrary authorities, the ability to go elsewhere, and most of all have the expectation that wherever they go they’ll be cared for. None of these freedoms exist anymore, so the question is how and why did we lose these freedoms? And who benefits from these losses of freedoms? After accepting that society is what we make of it, defined by rules on how to live amongst one another in a bottom->up direction, then why are we so eager to blindly accept arbitrary authority, stay put, and fear our neighbors?

stoly ,

Ironically Israel was never really against holocaust, they just want to make sure that it’s Arabs instead of Jews.

xc2215x ,

Very disappointing to see from him. It is time to not support Israel.

Rooskie91 ,

Sounds like he never lost his way and genocide was always the goal.

turkishdelight ,

Israel lost it’s way decades ago whenbit decides genocide over peace.

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