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Ziel ,
@Ziel@lemmy.world avatar

Religious fundamentalism is a poison, that should not exist. Pure and simple. Freedom to the Iranian women.

cedarmesa , (edited )
@cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

💀

Froody ,

Religion.what a fucking joke.

afraid_of_zombies ,

As I said months ago. In a war between the diet version of something and the pure version, the diet one always loses.

It wasnt about a secular government and freedom to not worship, it was about the rules being relaxed a bit. You don’t fight to the death for showing your hair you fight to the death for sky-daddy.

Until they are willing to burn korans they will continue to live in a theocratic state.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

What are the Democrats the diet version of?

afraid_of_zombies ,

Begging the question.

Gradually_Adjusting ,
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not debating anything you said, just making conversation. I liked your idea of diet vs. pure, but wasn’t able to figure out if it fits into American politics as they currently exist.

I think it doesn’t, because Dems aren’t very well characterized by the “pure/diet” dichotomy.

Mdotaut801 ,

Well the republicans aren’t the diet version of anything. 6 years ago they were diet nazis and now they’ve gone full retard nazi.

raspberriesareyummy ,

corporate butt-kissers (as in: the republicans are deeper up corporate anuses)

Sauvandu59 ,

good, they take their religion seriously unlike certain group of people.

bobman ,

Lol. I get where you’re coming from.

Unfortunately, this is the end result of religious nationalism. Let it serve as further warning for those who want to enact it.

GracchiBros ,

I wish we’d learn the lesson that manipulating other countries often ends up in people being reactionary and turning toward religious nationalism to fight back against the foreign enemy. This government is in power because of Western governments’ actions. And then supporting a brutal proxy war against them and trying to isolate them internationally after that failed sure hasn’t helped. It just fuels the reactionaries.

bobman ,

I absolutely think US should cut all aid to Israel.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I agree it should be taken seriously. Just like cancer and global warming. Any active threat to humans should be given a great deal of attention.

lasagna ,
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"Morality police " rapists and co come up with the fanciest names for themselves.

anakaine ,

It’s time for organised Iranians to start making Basijis disappear.

CeruleanRuin ,

Have they tried a Lysistrata yet?

XaeroDegreaz ,

I doubt it would work; unfortunately it seems that rape is pretty common over there.

CeruleanRuin ,

There are ways


ZombieZookeeper ,

Since Iranian men can’t control themselves, women have to cover up.

GeoGio7 ,

A lot of the protesters were also men. Several of them had been shot and killed

OtakuAltair ,

Blame the oppressive government and religion, not the people. They’re the victims.

Rayspekt ,

Dumb question, but the headscarf's purpose is to cover the women's hair, right? So what if all protesting women go bald to piss the religious guys off, would that work?

bobman ,

I guarantee you, they’ll think it’s a dumb question because the abusers will just attack any women who shaves her head. They don’t actually care.

It will take solidarity among the Iranian people or outside intervention to fix these problems. Unfortunately, a lot of Iranian women are also rewarding the men who do this with sex.

electrogamerman ,

And that’s what religion does.

tVxUHF ,

Woman, Life, Freedom

JackGreenEarth ,

‘Morality police’ sounds like a mockery, not the actual name they’d call themselves 😂

rivalary ,

My guess is that it’s a translation

colourednumbers ,

I do wish the women of Iran the best. I hope they still have the will to fight.

aniki ,

fight back

Holodeck_Moriarty ,

Can you imagine your purpose in life being “the guy who makes sure people’s scarves are good enough”?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh they salivate for it. Some people will jump at any chance to be a fascist.

FordBeeblebrox ,

“Oh no the Ferengi don’t want to stop the exploitation. We want to become the exploiters!”

xc2215x ,

Not at all.

bobman ,

Can you imagine being rewarded with sex?

GeoGio7 ,

You’ve mentioned this twice now but what do you mean?

bobman ,

I mean that Iranian culture continues to support this.

It’s not just the men, it’s the women too. Otherwise most babies would be born from rape, which isn’t the case.

The men beating girls to death get paid and spend that money to please their wives, who in turn reward them with sex.

It’s a pretty simple concept.

rockyrikoko ,

That was a weird journey

bobman ,

Nah. Just an unfortunate truth people would rather not acknowledge.

Do you disagree with anything I said?

angrystego ,

I don’t think sex is a reward for the man in most relationships. That’s not how it works. Marital relationships are much more complicated than that and very varied.

bobman ,

I mean, they’re doing what makes them look good in front of their women. Otherwise they wouldn’t be doing it.

You can say it’s for companionship or to look good in front of peers, but the end result in the same.

angrystego ,

Do you really think life is this simple? What I see is men do things that they were taught to do to funcion in a given society, things they need to do to survive, things they like doing just for themselves (a very good motivation) and occasionally also things to look good in front of women (not necessarilly theirs). I think in most marriages men display a mixture of behaviours the woman likes and dislikes (sometimes even hates). Despite doing things the woman hates, a man can still often have sex with her either because she also sees the good things, she wants sex and is willing to overlook the bad things or she has no power to choose otherwise
 life is really complicated. If men did only things women liked, the world would be completely different.

bobman ,

I mean, at the end of the day the wives either approve of their husbands actions and reward them or don’t. To them, it’s better to be with a man who gets paid to kill little girls than one that doesn’t. That’s why they’re with them, lol.

Yeah, it really is that simple. Sorry you’re trying to overcomplicate things.

I think your ‘oversimplicity’ argument would hold more water against those saying it’s just the men of iran who are to blame.

angrystego ,

You seem to ignore the facto that some women just don’t get to choose.

bobman ,

Most of them do.

some_guy ,

Can you imagine your purpose in life being “the guy who makes sure people’s scarves are good enough”?

A more accurate interpretation: Can you imaginer your purpose in life being the guy who directly enforces oppression of women?

feck_it ,

They get off of the idea.

Buffalox ,

Religion is perfect for making normal people act like a bunch of sociopaths.

Art3sian ,
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” Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.”

orphiebaby ,
@orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

You gotta source that quote, fam. I wanna know ^^

some_guy ,

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful

Lucius Annaeus Seneca. All it took was copying the line into Google. I’m surprised how often people forget that they can do this.

orphiebaby ,
@orphiebaby@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, but have you tried Googling that “quote” supposedly from Madonna?

Art3sian ,
@Art3sian@lemmy.world avatar

I was hoping you guys might think I was clever enough to come up with it.

/s

CeruleanRuin ,

Religion is exploited by actual sociopaths to justify their behavior.

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

Religion is exploited by actual sociopaths to justify their behavior.

(most forms of) Religion is constructed to be exploited by actual sociopaths to justify their behavior.

FTFY

Hypersapien ,

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”

– Steven Weinberg

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