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BNE ,
@BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Milei is a Thatcherite.

I anticipate things are going to get ugly in Argentina… horrible direction to see.

Eldritch ,

Too late for ugly. Uglier though is almost assured. I just hope people make it out of this relatively unscathed. Unfortunately we as human beings struggle to learn from our mistakes without seriously injuring ourselves.

theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

it's not a right wing government without deadly crackdowns against dissent

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

If you ever even visited Buenos Aires for a few days, you’d know these protests are astroturfed. Opposition will fill busses from the villas miserias (equivalent to favelas) and flood the streets and gridlock the capital for hours. It happens so often that its become a regular nuisance. A lot of these people don’t work and are on social plans. They are essentially used as a foot army by the peronistas to manipulate political power.

I’m not saying this to justify whats going on, but giving people context.

Backspacecentury ,

Uhhh.. Milei’s been in office for what, a week? Are you saying the “Peronistas” were driving people in to protest their own government?

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Bruh. Yes. Remember there were protests against Trump before he was even president?

VentraSqwal ,

Because Trump said what he was going tk do and people didn’t like. He didn’t even win the majority and had revealed himself tk he racist and sexist, of course people were going to protest him.

Backspacecentury ,

Yeah except those protests were not astroturfed, just people with valid complaints.

And they were right.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Sure, but that’s not my point. The comment I was replying tried to dismiss what I said because apparently it’s impossible for people to protest someone who hasn’t taken office yet.

Backspacecentury , (edited )

No, my comment was questioning whether a political party would bus protestors in to protest their own party, not claiming that there weren’t any protests at all.

EDIT: I was assuming these protests were happening for months. That said, I can see that they could be protesting the election results, so the time between the election and the swearing in.

snake_case_guy ,

From one side, not all protests were against the national government, some if not most, were and are usually against the Buenos Aires City government (which is not peronist), or against some other government. You must take into account that Buenos Aires is a city with a high concentration of institutional buildings. So everything is in Buenos Aires. There’s this old saying in Argentina “God is everywhere, but his offices are/he only attends in Buenos Aires”

On the other hand, the peronist party is a highly fractured party. It’s more like a coalition of different minded individuals, that gather around the caudillo in turn. That’s why Perón himself said “peronists are like cats, when you hear them screaming, they are not fighting, they are matting”. Once the caudillo is in power, he must maintain it, and strength demonstrations are usually in the form of “getting the street”. Meaning, making a ruckus and sending people to protest. This goes for both sides, sports and detectors.

So, as you can hopefully see, Argentina’s politics aren’t as straightforward as thought.

Backspacecentury ,

Fair. Argentina’s politics are complicated. I was there in 2002 and remember groups of people sitting in circles discussing the political situation at the time.

I love Buenos Aires btw, hope things get better.

theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

it's also not a right wing government without people insisting that all the noise is just poor people who should be ignored

avidamoeba ,
@avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

I guess we might not end up seeing the inevitable catastrophic economic results from Milei’s “platform.” Maybe we’ll see him chased off via mass protests before his dream is fully realized?

febra ,

Already starting to lose democratic rights I see. Wasn’t that guy supposed to be a so called libertarian? I thought they hailed themselves as these bastions of freedom in politics.

meeeeetch ,

When the crisis hits (which in Argentina’s case is the default status) and the contradictions heighten, libertarians eventually have to choose between free markets or free people.

And the “free helicopter rides” jokes they’ve been making for the last decade tells me how wrong they tend to choose.

rottingleaf ,

That last thing is only from Hans-Hermann Hoppe fans circles. They are not strictly ancaps even.

There’s the name “paleolibertarian” for them, which I’m not sure is correct, stuff like “genetic aristocracy” doesn’t seem libertarian at all for me.

hh93 ,

I thought that guy was supposed to be “Anarcho”?

Caligvla ,
@Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Anarcho-capitalist, which is a dog whistle for greedy fascist.

vaultdweller013 ,

Put the cap in the an-cap?

Eldritch ,

Anyone who claims to be anarcho ”against large entrenched far reaching systems of governance”. But then in the same breath admits that they are capitalist ”a system requiring large far-reaching structures to protect the wealth of the privileged, and oppress those who aren’t”. Is never the former, rarely the latter, but always a liar. Wasn’t one of this chuckle fucks first moves to condense a bunch of different parts of their government into one much larger, much less efficient one. Something about human capital?

Anyone else member learning about human capital in the United States? I member. There was some big war about it a little over 150 years ago. I don’t think it worked out so well. I think that’s just one of those lessons though that greed won’t allow a person to learn.

teft ,
@teft@startrek.website avatar

“The guarantor protocol of Nilda Garré is repealed,” stated Bullrich at the end of her press conference, in reference to the rules governing police actions in the face of protests that was installed in 2011 during the government of Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. Garré, who was Minister of Security at the time, established some basic rules of engagement during demonstrations, such as police intervention being deployed in a “progressive” manner, starting with dialogue with the organizers of the protest. The Garré protocol also established the prohibition of officers who might come into direct contact with the demonstrators from carrying firearms, that rubber bullets could only be used “for defensive purposes,” that all officers and their vehicles should be visibly identified, and that the police should guarantee free news coverage of protests without preventing journalists from taking testimonies and photographs. What the repeal of this protocol would entail remains unclear.

Emphasis mine. It’s pretty clear the consequences will be crackdowns on protesters.

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