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Marighost ,
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Interesting video. I think I’ve heard of it as an apple growing up in a Christian household.

Semi related, but I enjoy the Gnostic interpretation of the Forbidden Fruit story, in which the Serpent (aka Lucifer) tempts Eve with the fruit of knowledge to achieve Gnosis, so she may learn the true meaning of their existence (the understanding that God is not their true creator). This paints Lucifer as the hero and God, or Yaldabaoth in Gnosticism, as the villain.

HootinNHollerin , (edited )

That’s some ai generated bullshit cover photo. Therefore no way wasting time watching it

amotio ,

How does this cover differ from someone making it in photoshop (like most covers)? AI is in this case just useful tool IMO.

lvxferre ,
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Regarding Latin malum: people often have the impression that the word specifically means “apple” due to a bunch of crappy Latin textbooks. It’s messier though, and the video is correct - it could be used to refer to any type of fruit, although in the absence of context you’d “default” to apples. This can be shown through synchronic evidence, like Apicius 4.3.4:

  1. MINUTAL MATIANUM. […] Media coctura mala matiana purgata intrinsecs concisa tessellatim mittes. […]
  2. Matian Mince. […] While cooking, add [to the pot] Matian fruits (=apples) that had their cores removed and cut into pieces.

If “mala” was enough to refer to apples, why is the author specifying that those need to be “mala matiana”?

Diachronic evidence shows the same. Using Portuguese for the examples:

  • mala matiana “Mattius’ fruit(s)” → maçã "apple"
  • mala romana “Roman fruit(s)” → romã “pomegranate”

If “mala” was used exclusively for apples the first one wouldn’t get an adjective, just like in Apicius’ recipe book; and the later would’ve never popped up.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Interesting stuff!

Theres early christian iconography revolving around mushrooms as well, so ive wondered if the “forbidden fruit” aka “fruit of knowledge” was originally a psilocybin mushroom.

specialistdrunk OP ,

Sounds like a JRE episode

bionicjoey ,

Nobody calls mushrooms fruit

CaptainSpaceman ,

Metaphors exist.

Unless youre trying to tell me everything in the bible is literal?

bionicjoey ,

Unless youre trying to tell me everything in the bible is literal?

Obviously not. But that’s not a metaphor. That’s just using the wrong word.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Oh, you consulted the author?

bionicjoey ,

No, but like, a metaphor is when there’s some second meaning. Why would you call a mushroom a fruit? Especially since none of this was in English anyway and so there’s no way of knowing if any secondary meanings of the word would have also made any sense poetically.

CaptainSpaceman ,

You’re a mushroom.

WhiteHairSuperSaiyan ,

The head of a mushroom is a fruiting body. I know that is a huge distinction but could be confused pretty easily. Especially if there is some translation fun between.

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