Debate: Vote Blue No Matter Who in 2024? (w/ Nathan Robinson) [26:50 | Jan 22 2024 | Bad Faith]

[Bad Faith is two shows in one: it’s a show about politics and pop culture with a rotating cast of performers and politicians, artists and activists, writers and radicals; and it’s a podcast where very different parts of the left make the case for one less terrible world.]

Timestamps:

02:04 Hypothetical Donald Trump Genocide

03:29 Knowledge Of The Future Is Always So Uncertain In Politics…

05:51 Biden Admin. Frustrated With Bibi, Israel

07:36 Domestic Politics, Trump And Biden Differences

10:11 Devil’s Advocate, Looking at Georgia

11:30 Vocal Of Red Line Gaza Presents, From 2016 To 2020 And Now To 2024

12:46 Huge Difference, Sided With Chomsky In 2020, Influenctial In The Left

14:17 Contradictory Opinion, Stand In Line, Bully

16:01 Systemic Consequences Of Vote Blue No Matter Who

18:40 Looking At RFK Jr.'s Independent Campaign

20:03 Pro-Bernie, The Left And Cornel West, Jill Stein

20:59 Disagree With View On Jill Stein

22:35 Views On Marianne Williamson

24:28 Candidates on Palestinians and Israel, Oct. 7th

Short Summary

1. The speaker discusses the “lesser of two evils” argument in voting and its implications on accepting systemic harms.
2. They explore a hypothetical scenario where a candidate announces plans for genocide and the complex moral choices in voting.
3. The Biden administration’s approach to humanitarian aid and its stance on Israel are questioned, particularly the continued support despite concerns over Israel’s actions.
4. Media narratives about Biden’s frustration with Netanyahu and the lack of discussion on cutting off aid to Israel are highlighted.
5. The speaker compares the actions of Trump and Biden regarding democracy, expressing concerns over the DNC’s handling of the primary process and the Republican Party’s extreme agenda.
6. They criticize the manipulation tactics used by some to convince others that voting is inconsequential while pressuring them to vote for a specific candidate.
7. The importance of building a political movement through electoral politics is discussed, with examples like RFK Jr.'s independent campaign.
8. The speaker expresses personal support for Cornel West over Jill Stein, citing access issues and a lack of inspiration from Stein.
9. Concerns are raised about the credibility of the two-state solution for Israel-Palestine due to settlement expansion and the principle of endorsing an ethnostate.