Debate: Vote Blue No Matter Who in 2024? (w/ Nathan Robinson) [26:50 | Jan 22 2024 | Bad Faith]
[Bad Faith is two shows in one: it’s a show about politics and pop culture with a rotating cast of performers and politicians, artists and activists, writers and radicals; and it’s a podcast where very different parts of the left make the case for one less terrible world.]
Timestamps:
02:04 Hypothetical Donald Trump Genocide
03:29 Knowledge Of The Future Is Always So Uncertain In Politics…
05:51 Biden Admin. Frustrated With Bibi, Israel
07:36 Domestic Politics, Trump And Biden Differences
10:11 Devil’s Advocate, Looking at Georgia
11:30 Vocal Of Red Line Gaza Presents, From 2016 To 2020 And Now To 2024
12:46 Huge Difference, Sided With Chomsky In 2020, Influenctial In The Left
14:17 Contradictory Opinion, Stand In Line, Bully
16:01 Systemic Consequences Of Vote Blue No Matter Who
18:40 Looking At RFK Jr.'s Independent Campaign
20:03 Pro-Bernie, The Left And Cornel West, Jill Stein
20:59 Disagree With View On Jill Stein
22:35 Views On Marianne Williamson
24:28 Candidates on Palestinians and Israel, Oct. 7th
Short Summary
- The speaker discusses the “lesser of two evils” argument in voting and its implications on accepting systemic harms.
- They explore a hypothetical scenario where a candidate announces plans for genocide and the complex moral choices in voting.
- The Biden administration’s approach to humanitarian aid and its stance on Israel are questioned, particularly the continued support despite concerns over Israel’s actions.
- Media narratives about Biden’s frustration with Netanyahu and the lack of discussion on cutting off aid to Israel are highlighted.
- The speaker compares the actions of Trump and Biden regarding democracy, expressing concerns over the DNC’s handling of the primary process and the Republican Party’s extreme agenda.
- They criticize the manipulation tactics used by some to convince others that voting is inconsequential while pressuring them to vote for a specific candidate.
- The importance of building a political movement through electoral politics is discussed, with examples like RFK Jr.'s independent campaign.
- The speaker expresses personal support for Cornel West over Jill Stein, citing access issues and a lack of inspiration from Stein.
- Concerns are raised about the credibility of the two-state solution for Israel-Palestine due to settlement expansion and the principle of endorsing an ethnostate.