Master Tung Kuo asked Chuang Tzu, ‘That which is called the Tao, where is it?’ Chuang Tzu replied, ‘There is nowhere where it is not.’ ‘But give me a specific example.’ ‘In this ant,’ Said Chuang Tzu. ‘Is that it’s lowest point?’ ‘in this panic grass,’ said Chuang Tzu. ‘Can you give me a lower example?’ ‘In this common earthenware tile,’ Said Chuang Tzu. ‘This must be its lowest point!’ ‘it’ s in shit and piss too.’ Said Chuang Tzu.