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catloaf ,

AI doesn’t grok anything. It doesn’t have any capability of understanding at all. It’s a Markov chain on steroids.

Hackworth OP ,

Did you read the paper? Or at least have an llm explain it?

yesman ,

I read the abstract, and the connection to your title is a mystery. Are you using “grock” as in “transcendental understanding” or as Musk’s branded AI?

Hackworth OP ,

No c, just grok, originally from Stranger in a Strange Land. But a more technical definition is provided and expanded upon in the paper. Mystery easily dispelled!

Blueberrydreamer ,

Thanks for clarifying, now please refer to the poster’s original statement:

AI doesn’t grok anything. It doesn’t have any capability of understanding at all. It’s a Markov chain on steroids.

Hackworth OP ,

We follow the classic experimental paradigm reported in Power et al. (2022) for analyzing “grokking”, a poorly understood phenomenon in which validation accuracy dramatically improves long after the train loss saturates. Unlike the previous templates, this one is more amenable to open-ended empirical analysis (e.g. what conditions grokking occurs) rather than just trying to improve performance metrics

catloaf ,

Oh okay so they’re just redefining words that are already well-defined so they can make fancy claims.

Hackworth OP ,

Well-defined for casual use is very different than well-defined for scholarly research. It’s standard practice to take colloquial vocab and more narrowly define it for use within a scientific discipline. Sometimes different disciplines will narrowly define the same word two different ways, which makes interdisciplinary communication pretty funny.

yesman ,

In that case I refer you to u/catloaf 's post. A machine cannot grock, not at any speed.

eggymachus ,

Thanks for posting, please ignore the stochastic luddites 🙂

Hackworth OP ,

I appreciate it. I’ve had little luck engaging people in conversation about AI research in general. Since abandoning reddit, I’ve been litmus testing other platforms. I’m afraid this puts lemmy at about a 12. /shrug. Still better than reddit.

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