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Bishma ,
@Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Never trust Condé Nast to do the right by its consumers. That’s a tale decades old at this point.

Not_mikey ,

llms suck because they steal content and are unreliable since they don’t link back to sources

Open ai makes a deal to pay media org for there content and makes it so they can link back to original article

“Ars technica sold out”

kate ,

what’s the problem here? openai isn’t pirating content if they pay for it,? have i misunderstood something

grandkaiser ,

ai new

new bad

remember old time

old time good

Teal ,

Damnit! I still like and respect the Ars Technica staff but Condé Nast can piss off.

I feel for you KingThrillgore. I was thinking of supporting the site with a subscription but not after this. Still if enough people stop subscribing we may loose them altogether. This is a double edged shit sword.

KingThrillgore OP ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I made it clear in my comment I was not happy about this after I became a subscriber. It will not auto-renew. If I had done it with a credit card and not Paypal, I’d try for a chargeback.

For what its worth, nobody else active on the site is happy about this, either. Lots of unsubscribes are being claimed in the comments (including mine).

Teal ,

Understood and have seen the comments. I don’t blame you for being upset. It’s a crappy situation.

Wispy2891 ,

I understand them. If they refused for integrity reasons, openai would steal their content anyways via scrapers.

Suing them for copyright infringement, even if is the desire we all have, is ultra expensive.

I would also have signed that deal with the devil…

PlasticExistence ,

I would have signed it too, but only because I’m awesome on fiddle and I could totally win my soul back.

azl ,

I want Ars content to be part of whatever training data is provided to the best models. How does that get done without appearing like they are being bought?

Even if their contract explicitly states that it is a data sharing agreement only and the products of the media organization (articles/investigations) are not grounds for breach or retaliation, it is assumed that there is now some impartiality in future reporting.

So, for all media companies, the options seem to be:

  1. Contribute to the greater good by openly permitting site scraping (for $0)
  2. Allow data sharing to contracted parties only (for a fee)
  3. Public or privately prohibit use of any data, and then seek damages down the road for theft/copyright infringement when the legal framework has been established.

Is there a GPL or other license structure that permits data sharing for LLM training in a way that it does not get transformed into something evil?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

Their EIC is in the comments replying to people. He seems buttoned up about it (understandably) but I get the impression he’s not thrilled

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

The main problem now is that Ars Technica and all other Conde Nast publications, with it now having a vested interest in openAI (they’re getting paid by them), can no longer be reliably trusted to report on any AI or AI-adjacent topic whatsoever. And every user comment and content is now owned by openAI.

Hexbatch ,

I am going to stop reading them myself.

It’s not so much ideological than practical, I simply don’t have the time to fact check them, or figure out which are the real articles and which are the AI ones, etc etc

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not what’s happening. The AI is ingesting the human made content (articles and comments). It isn’t writing any of the content of the site. I’m just going to cancel my subscription if they don’t give me a means to opt out of my comments feeding ChatGPT

Hexbatch ,

Thanks for describing it, I misread the first sentence.

Still, it’s AI creeping into their news. Even if it does change the content now, first step leads to a second step later. And that may not be noticed by me

Best to just train myself to not use them now

zoostation ,

Fuck those shitheads.

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