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Peffse ,

Intel announces two generations of defective processors and AMD gives up that opportunity to recall their own launch? Must be something very wrong with the batch.

empireOfLove2 ,
@empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’d say it’s actually a better market signal rather than indications of huge problems. “See, our competitiors send out defective products; we are holding back to make sure ours ship correctly.”

That’s exactly what enterprise/datacenter customers want to hear: a dedication to stability.

lemmeout ,

Nah something fishy

AdamEatsAss ,

Any large scale manufacturer like AMD knows about what % of defective returns they get. They’re using the heat on Intel to help make their numbers look better.

lemmeout ,

Actually, I think it’s not about defect numbers. This is about delaying until Intel releases the microcode update. They want to be compared after the (potentially) performance tanking update from Intel. Which is hilarious because Intel gave a date after AMD’s initial launch date.

I think it’s also fair as a lot of reviewers aren’t going to bother retesting after Intel releases updates and comparing with AMD after the 9000 series hype has died down, if they had just recently did so for the AMD launch.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

… You just contradicted yourself there with the timeline/dates lol.
Wait for intel patch, but release date of cpus is before the expected release date of the microcode patch.

AnyOldName3 ,
@AnyOldName3@lemmy.world avatar

You’ve misunderstood. The original release date was set, then Intel announced the microcode update, which was after the original release date, then AMD announced that they’d be delaying the release date, and that new release date is after the microcode update.

lowleveldata ,

no u

Woovie ,

Hanlon’s razor, don’t overthink it. No need for mindless conspiracy theories based on zero data. If it’s aajor concern we’ll hear something no doubt.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Makes sense for two reasons: They show everyone that they don’t push faulty hardware, unlike intel and they also delay the launch until after intel push their microcode update to ‘fix’ their high-end models, which will reduce performance. Ryzen 9000 will look even better in day one performance comparisons.

tabular , (edited )
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Would be nice for AMD to say what is the specific problem. They chose to recall, there must be something concrete to say.

partial_accumen ,

They did. Its in the article.

A company representative told Tom’s Hardware that the issue doesn’t require a redesign or re-spin of the Ryzen 9000 silicon and will not result in changes to the already-defined specifications for the various models. AMD will re-screen the chips pulled from the field to identify any with potential issues and then return unaffected models to retail channels. This indicates that not all chips suffer from the issue.

An AMD representative told us that the company “identified an issue with our package product testing process for Ryzen 9000 series processors that could result in a small number of products reaching the market that do not meet our quality standards.” AMD specifically cited the package testing process, implying that the issue resides in the packaging implementation (more on that below).

It says nothing is wrong with the silicon. I appears to be a problem in some units where the silicon die is mated with the materials that hold it (fiberglass PCB or its interconnects).

gravitas_deficiency , (edited )

While annoying, that’s absolutely less of a showstopper than discovering a lithography issue like big blue (that’s IBM) Intel has discovered (and who knows exactly how long ago they knew about the oxidization issues)

Glowstick ,

Big blue is a nickname for IBM, but i think you’re referring to Intel

gravitas_deficiency ,

Ah whoops, you’re right

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Notice how you said “a problem with” and the article said “implying that”. There is some ambiguity. The issue is narrowed down but still not explicit. Hopefully we will get even more specifics later.

partial_accumen ,

Of course there’s still some ambiguity. They’re likely investigating many things in parallel right now and cautiously assessing impact and scope. Their language suggests they think they’ve got the full picture, but they’re likely still exploring some niche areas to be safe.

They’ve given public statements on the general area of the issue and its limited scope. I think your expectations on this issue at this point about perfect transparency are a bit unrealistic for a publicly traded company.

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Less an expectation and more of an ideal standard to strive for. Which I would think it’s in our best interest as future customers to have the highest expectations.

partial_accumen ,

Well you’re certainly welcome to hold that opinion. I don’t think you’re recognizing the gravity of what you’re expecting them to commit to and also you’re setting yourself up for repeated disappointment.

MonkderVierte ,

Unspecified quality, that’s an issue.

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