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TechNerdWizard42 ,

I like the idea of Reddit and it works much better than Lemmy. But the moderation and AI scraping make it a no-go site for me anymore which is a shame.

I love internet forums and have been a mod at some and very high poster at other. But the snowball effect gets them. If there’s no traffic, there’s no posts, so there’s no traffic. You need to have a good community to make it work. One area reddit really shines, small communities exist on a huge platform. Great idea before the enshittification.

I hate discord and the fact that anyone replaces customer support or fan support pages with it, is just fundamentally broken. The idea of a forum is that the question is asked and archived. 20 years later someone else googles the question and sees the answer and all the replies that lead up to it. That’s what forums are for. In discord you ask a question and 30 seconds later it’s gone forever eaten by useless drivel. Never to be searched or found again. Idiotic.

bluewing ,

Yep. A traditional forum ages and grows old. And as they get older and older, it becomes harder to draw new members because of the clique of the core membership. I’ve seen a few traditional forums die that death over the years.

And some forums, and I belong to several, the members are literally dying from old age. We are all mostly old and retired. And we lose members every year due to death. Several times a year there is an obituary post for some long time member.

NBCooks ,

Forums are alive and well for BBQ. See Amazing Ribs forums and BBQ Brethren.

boonhet ,

Cars too. Lots of marque or model specific forums still kicking it.

Bo7a ,

And motorcycles!

Shameless plug for the triumph bobber forum and triumphrat if you are into those bikes.

boonhet ,

I’m actually looking at something else for my first bike, but it does have a forum because it seems to have a huge fan base - I’m looking at older Ducati Monsters, particularly the 620.

Bo7a ,

Ducati.ms will be your best friend.

Yeah, I’m a little bit too much into motorcycle forums…

i_have_no_enemies OP ,

if you have a thread you like, make sure to archive.is or archive.org it

ch00f ,

You can also request all of your posts on Reddit in a neat little csv. Takes about a month to get though.

RustyWizard ,

And then you can go through and delete all your comments, lessening the value of Reddit as a platform.

nondescripthandle ,

You can also edit all your high scoring comments with bizarre misinformation so the next AI scrape gets dumber.

LostXOR ,

Even better, use an AI to generate the misinformation to save you time (and get even dumber misinformation).

NautiNolana ,

I use the “nuke Reddit history” extension

lemmyvore ,

I never got mine. Been a lot more that a month.

ch00f ,

Took a looong time, but I eventually got mine. I think it might have even been more than a month. They are certainly in no rush.

shaeblase ,

No nos importa puto memo

HexesofVexes ,
  1. Make it too big to fail
  2. Wait for the fall while enshittifying
  3. Cash in on the bail out
  4. Go to 2
4am ,

Hey guys not to be a downer but like…what DO we do when a federated instance goes down and takes all its content with it?

BarbecueCowboy ,

If you search back far enough on some lemmy instances that have defederated others, you’ll find ghosts of old content from those defederated servers, but it’s all local to whatever instance you’re viewing it on. A large amount of the content from the server that went down should also exist on the servers that server was federated with.

These lemmy instances have got to start running out of storage though, I haven’t heard of any kind of automated purging. I’d bet someone somewhere is already working on an archive lemmy.

MigratingtoLemmy ,

Use S3 and pay up, don’t worry you’re almost never running out of storage

KairuByte ,
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Speaking explicitly of text, they can likely be compressed to an insane degree instead of purged, if someone wanted to. For comparison, the entirety of Wikipedia (text only) is ~22GB.

GreatAlbatross ,
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Just for context, the full database of feddit.uk compresses down to about 4GB. I am not sure what’s going to happen to the ghosts long term, but I don’t think storage will be a huge issue.

stabby_cicada ,

Same as when one of the big name hosting companies takes a site down. You hope it’s archived, and if it was important enough to you, hopefully you saved it to your personal server.

What you’re describing is a major benefit of federation. Any site can be taken down. But when a federated server goes down it’s because the site owner exercised their control over their own data. If Google or Amazon takes a site down, you lose your data, but they keep copies to use however they want.

Ibuthyr ,

So this pretty much happened with feddit.de

The admin took off for a business trip and his backup forgot the password and locked himself out. Now the admin seems to have vanished and the server shit itself, making all previously posted pictures unavailable.

The solution is that a bunch of lemmings are forming a “Verein” (Kind of Like a club I suppose?) and will build an entirely new German instance.

So, it’s not pretty.

tal ,
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If someone hasn’t written a software package to do so already, it’s probably possible to write one to dump and clone all the comments and posts on a server.

Ibuthyr ,

The comments fortunately are still there, but the images are all gone. They had some trouble that was image-related which led to the server collapsing at some stage. I can’t recall the specifics unfortunately.

4am ,

Are those posts/comments/images available on other instances?

If an instance just shuts down, we just lose all that content? Sounds like a pretty fatal flaw.

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    bonnetbee ,

    Maybe there are good information, but facebook is just no option. Why would you support meta? Irresponsible behaviour on your part.

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    bonnetbee ,

    Thank god we have facebook, or you would have sunk your ship long ago? Pathetic.

    ThirdWorldOrder ,

    Forgive my transgressions my liege

    Scrollone ,

    The problem with Facebook is that it’s un-searchable from any search engine. Also, Meta.

    Roflmasterbigpimp ,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe I’m too young or just had bad luck, but ALL the interactions I’ve ever had with Internet forums have been unbelievably awful. Whenever I asked a question, I was asked why I wanted to know that and was lectured that my reasons were stupid, bad, or wrong (how is that even possible?). People hijacked my post and talked about anything else, and I received NO answer whatsoever! This kind of thing happened way too often, regardless of the type of forum. This occurred in Skyrim forums, Coh2 forums, PC forums, aquarium forums, … I hate forums. It’s good that they are dying, and I, for one, will not miss them at all.

    racemaniac ,

    I’m kind of wondering what forums you visited.

    What however is a recurrent issue with young people on forums is them asking questions that have already been answered a million times. On sites like reddit & discord, that’s the norm, we need new content all the time, the 526th person asking just keeps the social media going.

    On forums however the etiquette is that you do some effort yourself, and something that gets asked that often is either a sticky, or a long running thread with all the information you could possibly want (but you’ll need to invest some of your own time to get the information from there). And if you then arrive on the forum, read nothing, and ask the same question… again… yeah… you won’t be welcomed with open arms.

    Roflmasterbigpimp ,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

    I wish I would just have gotten a Link to a Post where the Answer to my Question is, but I just got this BS.

    racemaniac ,

    Without actual examples it’s really hard to tell if the forum was just a toxic environment, or you were the newbie not reading the room. I’ve seen both happen.

    Roflmasterbigpimp ,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

    Could be, but I found my place in the Fediverse and I’m happy here.

    Yearly1845 ,

    Oh a long running thread, my least favorite thing on the entire internet.

    “Hey do you have an answer to my question”

    Yeah bro, its in this 700 page forum thread. Here’s a tent and some supplies, godspeed."

    Fuck that.

    racemaniac ,

    Once it becomes too big the forum admin should realize it’s time to make a subsection regarding that topic XD.

    Forums for sure aren’t perfect, but a 20 page forum thread that does a deep dive into a topic with a lot of good contributors beats anything i expect to find on discord or lemmy.

    Xatolos ,
    @Xatolos@reddthat.com avatar

    Ugh… This was already mentioned before in another channel. Did you even read the rules? Modding you down and banned.

    (These actions haven’t been better, in fact they tend to be worse. I’ll take PC forums over this ego tripping mod actions).

    Roflmasterbigpimp ,
    @Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

    You do you, but apparently more people tend to dislike forums as time goes on.

    tal ,
    @tal@lemmy.today avatar

    I’d call Reddit and the Threadiverse and Usenet and such forums. They’re just broad, with many different categories, or “meta-forums”, as compared to a site with a dedicated-to-a-single-topic forum.

    Some other drawbacks of having many independent forums:

    • You have to create and maintain a ton of accounts.
    • Different, incompatible markup syntax.
    • Often missing features (e.g. Markdown has tables; few forums let one create tables)
    • Some forum systems ordered comments by time rather than parent comment, which was awful to browse.
    • Often insane requirements to get an account. I can think of a few forums that were very difficult to get access to, either because the “new user” system was incompatible with some email system or just had other problems.

    I mean, there are a lot of websites with “comment” sections, which is kind of a lightweight forum attached to a webpage, and they’re almost invariably awful.

    racemaniac ,

    Don’t agree with this, there’s a huge difference between a forum and something like lemmy: how what you see is determined. On a forum as long as discussion is happening, a thread stays on top. On a more social media site like this, things only remain relevant a couple of days at most, while forum threads can go on for years. That makes sites like this more focused on short and shallow discussions, where forums imo allow for more in depth discussions.

    Rayspekt ,

    Haha yes, but this applied to reddit as well I’d say, maybe just not as much.

    Nicoleism101 , (edited )

    Cmon reddit is worse than almost any forum. You have to really carefully choose your words and add a lot of word sugar so that no one jumps at you saying you are a worthless pos for even having some opinion with their throwaway trolling account enjoying the anonymity. Or worse some genuine crazy person.

    Whereas on mature forums users know each other more closely and it wards off the most freaky behaviour and attack.

    They won’t usually say stuff like you are a racist pos for idk getting a white phone the dumbest of things. Because they will just be ostracised out of the platform.

    You kind of worry about your reputation. You don’t want ppl to see your avatar/nick and immediately write you off.

    Lemmy is only better than Reddit because it is smaller but if it was the size of aforementioned we would have it even worse than r.

    stoly ,

    Back in the newsgroup days when only people who worked for a government agency or university had access, it was all very nice. It’s once the general public got in that every thing went to shit. Suddenly everyone could create their own fiefdom from which to project their internal insecurity.

    rob200 ,

    I would had concern over internet forums disappearing back in 2015-2012, but now a days, I don’t worry as much. if it wasn’t being replaced by the fediverse. Well maybe not replaced, but it is an alternative that has some good activity surprisingly and still growing, thanks to Mastodons marketing. It’s like an upgraded forums. And everyone can communicate no matter where they go on the Fediverse.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    Yeah that’s what drew me in, just one account.

    So tired having a million accounts for everything

    clot27 ,
    @clot27@lemm.ee avatar

    Honestly who uses discord nowadays? its completely unbearable

    Bezzelbob ,
    @Bezzelbob@lemmy.world avatar

    I feel like it’s all the ppl who unironically use “kitten”

    putty ,

    discord isn’t a single group lol, it’ll be the type of people that are there for the group you’re getting into lol. If your discord is for a hobby with creeps, then yeah they’ll be creeps. All the hobbies I use discord for don’t have that issue, what kinds of discords are you going into?

    Gestrid ,

    its completely unbearable

    How so?

    MossyHabitat ,

    Discord is OK for real-time chat or VC, but is awful for forum-like discussions. Comment-specific context is lost in the single-threaded noise and search is borderline useless. The true forum-designed format of Lemmy, Reddit, and predecessors is far and away better. In my opinion Twitter - the legacy, ubiquity and tech - would be a better forum than Discord. That was hard to type and I need to quickly bleach my fingers.

    Gestrid ,

    You’re right about the forums. While they’re useful as smaller chat rooms separate from the “main ones” (for example, someone in a Discord server I know started a forum for fanart and discussion about a specific upcoming video game), they’re completely useless as a replacement for traditional forums.

    Also, like you said, the search feature simply isn’t good enough to be able to efficiently search through all those forums. While Reddit’s (and probably Lemmy’s) search engine isn’t great either, it at least has the benefit of being indexed by other search engines.

    clot27 ,
    @clot27@lemm.ee avatar

    Tooo much bloated after I revisted after 2ish years

    viking ,
    @viking@infosec.pub avatar

    Discord is great for casual chatting. Was it ever intended to be a forum though? For that use case, it’s completely impractical.

    Rayspekt ,

    I’ve never gotten really into it. It’s such a mess, you don’t find shit so you ask around in channels hoping someone says something relevant. After one or two replies the next person wants to talk about something else and your question disappears into the void

    grrgyle ,

    Ugh too many people. My book club and local dev group are on Discord, also a few old co-workers, and then various communities like rainwave, ocremix diaspora, gamedev stuff…

    I wish it was still interoperable with IRC. It’s come to really grate on me.

    weeeeum ,

    People who use it (for forum type chatting) are probably trying to avoid non enshittified platforms. Ironically they don’t realize discord is heading towards the same path. Free screen sharing, high quality voice calls, image and video sharing and file sharing for FREE is not sustainable. Eventually they are going to crackdown on its users, which is unfortunate but predictable.

    linearchaos ,
    @linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

    Unfortunately way too many companies and people.

    It’s pretty easy to get in there and throw a couple of bots around. People have created entire help desk ticketing systems inside of it. They integrate payment systems. You don’t see any of this until you have a certain specific set of needs and then it’s everywhere.

    There’s a lot of plug-in support for corporate apps and people that create themes for things for corporate.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    Matrix is the way to replace discord everyone! It is very rough around the edges, but it’s (AFAIK) all self hosted. I even read about discord “bridges” that copy’s your discord channel content into matrix!

    matrix.org

    Katana314 ,

    Just to pose a thought; how practical would it be for a small subject owner to run a FediVerse instance intended to stay localized to their domain?

    For example: Indie game owner makes a reasonably popular game, they set up a website that Lemmy users can subscribe/join directly, and use that for forums/tips/discussions related to their game. People don’t need to register as long as they have an account somewhere. Some number of users would be new to Lemmy and use that site’s registration for later discovery. And, someday when X instance (the game, or the next popular one) gets infested by neonazis, everyone just moves to another and/or has other discussions backed up.

    I don’t know how practical or convenient that is though. I imagine a lot of groups don’t want to risk lost users.

    RippleEffect ,

    I like your idea

    mtchristo ,

    We need help communities on Lemmy. That’s what is going to make it rank in SEO and fly. Communities like software help (office, adobe creative products, etc), financial help and advice. And ask docs communities.

    Memes won’t help SEO rank.

    newbeni ,

    At this point I try to disregard anything that I can tell is SEO generated though, I wonder how many more feel like me.

    TexMexBazooka ,

    Not enough, unfortunately

    mdd ,

    Forums are alive and well when looking for car info. Whenever I get a different car I look for communities with the most activity and that is usually a forum.

    The one exception I can think of (proving the post to be true) is the first generation Tundra (2000-2007). The FB group had more current news than the forums and I managed to get banned (first time ever).

    DrowningInteger ,

    Yeah I’m on OdyClub probably every other day and there’s always new posts coming in

    fritobugger2017 ,

    HiFi folks and coffee folks have active forums outside of reddit and discord.

    Blackout ,
    @Blackout@kbin.run avatar

    I wouldn't blame those 2. Forums have been dying since Myspace and Facebook. The specialized ones like the machinist and woodworking ones I belong to are going strong. So are the firearm related ones.

    MaXsteri ,

    Internet Forums disappearing is a real shame.

    For my hobby there’s still lots and lots of old and relevant archived forum threads that regularly help me out.

    But for new information, that has all moved to Facebook Groups. This forces me to keep a Facebook account, which I hate and would otherwise ditch in a heartbeat.

    Rayspekt ,

    Man for some reason local musicians are unable to connect aside from the facebook, at least from my subjective pov.

    Nonetheless I moved on from the zuck, but I realise I’m shooting myself in the foot a little just to make a point.

    weeeeum ,

    So much lost knowledge. Even on forums that remain, I feel as though 80% of all images no longer function. Especially frustrating when said image is constantly referred to.

    BigBananaDealer ,
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    if anyone here used to go on kongregate a lot, go check it out now. it is depressing. they dont even have chat rooms anymore

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