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Veedem ,
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This is the second article in as many days describing issues with a review unit.

insideevs.com/…/2024-blazer-ev-stranded-broken/

lewdian69 ,

So they got a lemon and decided to write an article about it… definitely not intended to cause more EV hesitation, of course not.

Alchemy ,
@Alchemy@lemmy.world avatar

IMO, it’s a chevy issue more than an EV issue. We have a 23 Suburban for work that you can tell they gave zero fucks when assembling.

lewdian69 ,

Yeah, seems like everything is going that way recently.

PlatinumSf ,

It should be noted that this car does not yet qualify for Lemon status and qualifying for lemon status is actually harder than the average person would casually think in most US states. So it’s actually entirely fair that they wrote the article, as they do with every car in their long term test fleet. Manufacturers use all sorts of tactics to hide real world reliability data, if you’re looking to them to source it you’re buying your rat poison from the rat company.

lewdian69 ,

Fair

BigPotato ,

It’s Edmunds, not GasCarsOnly.com. They’re just reporting on their cars. All those Alfas that everyone bashed a few years back wasn’t to try to convince people not to buy gas cars, just not to buy the Alfa.

Same here. You shouldn’t give GM a pass for their shit tier cars just because they’re EV.

Veedem ,
@Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

theverge.com/…/2024-chevy-blazer-ev-stop-sale-sof…

So not a lemon.

flames5123 ,

This is not normal for EVs. The only real problems I’ve had with my Tesla model 3 since 2018 was some paint issues and a sticky blinker, which they came to my work and replaced.

It’s sucks that all these companies seem to be trying to screw over their EVs when they are vastly better. I’ve traveled all over the US in mine. I’m currently on another cross country road trip and the charging system just works. 1,300 miles in 24 hours with charging for the first day. Without stopping at all, that’s still a 19.5h drive.

Oderus ,

Sounds like you drive too much.

“Another cross country road trip” - you’ve driven across the country multiple times??

Why not train? Bus?

If you bought an EV to help save the planet, you’re not really helping by driving that much.

flames5123 ,

The USA does not have train or bus infrastructure. We looked at it but it would take weeks to get home on a train. It’s just not viable, but I wish it was. I take the bus in the city I live in almost anytime I can.

I have driven from Mississippi to Washington when I’ve moved and I’ve driven from MS to Denver during COVID to see friends (we did the whole 2 week quarantine before and took many precautions). I am driving back to see family for the holidays because flying is 2x the price plus dog boarding. We’re bringing our dog so we don’t have to pay the $700+ to do that.

For CO2 emissions: flying 2,000 miles both ways would be 1.2 metric tons of CO2 per passenger (using an online tool I found). We are driving 2,500 miles both ways, and having an extra passenger makes it more efficient per passenger. So for 2 passengers, 5,000 miles in a Tesla is 1 metric ton of CO2 total, which is 0.5/passenger, over half of what flying would do. Sure, I could just not go see my grandpa who has been struggling to breathe and in pain almost daily, but I haven’t seen my family in 2 years, and I miss them.

currycourier ,

The charging system for Teslas is a lot better than other EVs tbf, having driven a big 3 EV the charging situation is a hellscape since it couldn’t use superchargers

0k_ ,

That is, of course, changing soon with other manufacturers adopting NACS.

currycourier ,

Yup! Best to wait till then to get one probably

flames5123 ,

Yep. That’s why I got a Tesla in 2018. It really can go anywhere in the country.

ColeSloth ,

EV’s have lots of problems of their own and they’re far from immune to most issues.

This person’s entire issue is probably due to a bad ECM or a bad/shorting out 12v battery.

flames5123 ,

Yep. I’ve had my few issues, but there has been way less maintenance.

ColeSloth ,

Aside from oil changes, there isn’t often very much maintenance that’s different on an ice. Just stuff that’s every fifty or one hundred thousand miles.

flames5123 ,

You have less moving parts so there’s also no replacing fuses, coolant, belts, etc. and then you also don’t have to go to the gas station every week. It’s just simply charging at your home.

ColeSloth ,

There is coolant. There are fuses. You don’t have a belt but you have electric motors like the AC pump. You’ve added heating coils for a heater. You may have more than one electric drive motor, an inverter system, and a whole mess of sensors.

Charging at home works if you don’t live in apartments or condos or trailer houses, which is a quite sizeable amount of people. Some of those people could, in theory run out a extension cord and charge from 110, but that is only good for Like 36 miles from 8 hours of charging.

Not having an ice does not mean there isn’t a lot that goes wrong with an electric car. You just aren’t changing the oil every six to ten thousand miles.

flames5123 ,

True. But the coolant is for the battery, not for a combustion engine that is constantly hot, so it’s hardly ever changed. I use 120v at my apartment to charge. It gets me about 5 miles per hour. Because I live in a city, I’m not driving all the time, it works for me. I see people using extension cord across the sidewalk on my way to work. Our city, Seattle, is building charging infrastructure. Most work garages have chargers, so it’s still charging at work.

There are still less moving parts than an ICE though, meaning there is less to go wrong. An electric motor isn’t running from friction like many parts of an ICE.

An EV isn’t for everyone, but it will work for most people once the price comes down.

ColeSloth ,

Yes. Once the price goes down, the reliability goes up, replacement batteries are cheaper, and all homes and apartments and charge stations are put in place, it will be good for most people. Right now, most people will need a 2nd non plugin vehicle to have. Most ev owners don’t JUST own an EV.

Yeah. Your work probably has what? A dozen spots where you can charge an EV? You think it could handle 200? Do you know how much that would cost to handle 200 spots all plugged in to charge, even at level 1 charging? It’s a lot.

flames5123 ,

I’m not sure how many it has, but is only for 4 hours. If you have charging at home, it’s too much hassle to charge at work and fight the crowd. It’s for people that need it. And charging for 4 hours on 240v 40a will be 48kWh, which is 144 miles. You only need that every few days. But it is a huge parking garage in the city. It can definitely handle 200 EVs charging if they wire it up right.

I’ve only had an EV for 2.5 years. It just works. It’s good and reliable. It’s not “let’s wait”time anymore. I’ve driven to the country in Canada and camped in the heat with my AC and made it back to a charging station. They’re everywhere now. It’s not 2015 anymore.

The price does need to come down still though.

ColeSloth ,

I’m not talking about the room to do it. I’m talking about the actual electrical load being handled. Let’s put it into perspective. A house may have 100 to 200 amps at the panel. Aside from all the 12 gauge wiring needed for 200 40 amp charge stations, your electrical grid in the middle of your city is going to have to handle a power draw of an extra 6,000 amps. It’s not something that’s easy and if your work is giving its use as a free perk, it’s not going to be “just the people who really need it” wanting to use it. Charging at work would save a person like $80 a month on the electric bill.

Carighan ,
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I’ll be honest, this is less than 20 minutes of just ERROR log lines (nevermind warnings) in the application I’m working on.

Is that bad? Sure. But a large portion is also because it’s over a hundred individual software components and logging has been implemented badly with software that grew over time. Just saying that there’s a log message means ~nothing.

In fact I would argue that if done well, this is the way it should work:

  • Display to the user if there’s an immediate problem. Something needs fixing or urgent investigation.
  • Persist it to a warning-log if it’s something that’s not bad, stuff all works or redundancy is still holding easily (meaning it’s still redundant, say 1 out of 4 redundant units failed or a component stopped sending diagnostics but is still working), and the next time it’s in for something else, a mechanic/technician can also quickly check whether there’s a real problem.
PlatinumSf ,

Here’s to betting you wouldn’t hold this opinion stuck on the side of the highway in the middle of Wyoming or something similar.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean? Is Wyoming big on electric cars? (No clue, not from the US)

PlatinumSf ,

Wyoming contains some of the longest stretches of US road without available services. IE: If you get stuck because your car broke down, you’re gonna have a bad time.

Carighan ,
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, in that case I might have worded my post badly. I explicitly meant non-critical stuff would make sense to not openly show. There’s so much that can go beepy beep on moder wheeled computers that showing it all to the user would result in needing 10x the telephone support staff.

And there’s a lot that’s perfectly fine to leave as it is, and just have someone look at it the next time it’s in for a check-up anyways.

For stuff where the car can break down, yeah fuck no, don’t hide that. I was mostly musing how to do a shown/hide split in a sensible manner.

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