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ganoo ,
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I really like Delta Chat as a concept. I’m not sure I could convince my friends to use it, as most of them struggle with signing on to email on anything other than a dedicated mail client from their providers.

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    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    What will this do to your traditional email inbox?

    if you are a deltachat user, it creates a directory for your deltachat messages. if not… you are strongly encouraged to use deltachat :P

    HubertManne ,

    can't you just make a rule

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    maybe. depends on your client or provider

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    What about Protonmail or other email services that doesn’t directly connect to conventional email protocols?

    personally, i don’t trust protonmail, so i haven’t tried it, but i think… it just doesn’t work lol.

    LUHG_HANI ,
    @LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

    What’s the issue with proton? Just the UI being a bit shit?

    RTRedreovic ,

    Proton should be avoided.

    theregister.com/…/protonmail_hands_user_ip_addres…

    arstechnica.com/…/privacy-focused-protonmail-prov…

    cyberwarzone.com/protonmail-complies-with-a-recor…

    encryp.ch/…/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/

    LUHG_HANI ,
    @LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

    I do agree that’s a fair point about mail.

    simple ,

    The UI has improved a lot since their re-brand, so I doubt that’s it.

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    they make a lot of promises about security, but email can truthfully only reach a certain level of security. the comment from @RTRedreovic shows weaknesses in relying in protonmail to protect various aspects of your communications, but they sell themselves as TOTALLY SECURE.

    the lady doth protest too much.

    so they’re no more secure than, say, google, when you implement your own e2ee on top of email with PGP or something. but the promises of enhanced security actually set people up to expect more than that. coupled with the fact that they don’t even let you use imap or pop, it’s not exactly a hacker’s dream service.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    Proton only uses E2EE for the message body (including attachments). The subject and headers are not end-to-end encrypted.

    That’s not entirely unreasonable, since they use that data for the search function on the server side. Nobody’s really cracked the nut of E2EE search, though there’s been some interesting research in the field recently.

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    Why send messages (encrypted or not) across multiple providers that get to see who you are communicating with, when you are communicating, and how often you are communicating? (i.e. why not just use a dedicated messaging app that we know doesn’t suck?)

    who do you KNOW doesn’t suck? myself, i like disroot, but i still prefer to encrypt any comms that go across their services, because i can’t explicitly trust them. i don’t even (really) trust riseup.net. it’s always best to encrypt anything thats sensitive yourself and control the keys.

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    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    if you (and your friends) control your (and their) keys, then the actual contents of your communications can’t be compromised. i think email is fine if you understand the limitations.

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    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    i would never bother with anything that i consider to be highly secure over any clearnet service. but for keeping advertisers out of my messages or just run of the mill dragnets, or spot-censorship (like how facebook or others forbid certain links), i think deltachat is a really reasonable solution.

    but to this point:

    , it is inadvisable for privacy to keep data (even in an encrypted form) on a server post delivery.

    deltachat has an option to delete server-side.

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    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    you’re asking more than i really know here. i haven’t even convinced any of my friends to use it. it was hard enough getting their email addresses lol.

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    this is my settings screen. it looks like you would need to actually ask your friends to turn on the server-side purging.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ea833068-0c54-4442-9422-dc8f703eed26.png

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    i think it’s worth pointing out that pgp-protected messages would still be secure in the case of the kolektiva breach, not that anyone is e2ee for mastodon messages.

    KrummsHairyBalls ,

    The UI is just a WhatsApp rip lol

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
    @federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world avatar

    i don’t use whatsapp so i wouldn’t know, but the guts are what interest me. you can use it to message people even if they don’t use it!

    clmbmb ,

    În their defense, almost all messengers look the same. They just didn’t bother to change the color scheme.

    KrummsHairyBalls ,

    Pretty much every messenger I know is different. That one straight up looks like WhatsApp, down to the colour scheme and background.

    federatingIsTooHard OP ,
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    oooh! they’re on the fediverse!

    chaos.social/

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