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dinckelman ,

Microsoft won’t stop me from continuing to not use Windows

pivot_root ,

They certainly tried with Secure Boot. Thank Stallman that UEFI is a somewhat-open architecture.

independantiste ,
@independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

I think it’s more like what Mozilla is to google; Linux to Microsoft is a tool to prevent antitrust issues

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

Easy solution – don’t use Windows.

Spot ,
@Spot@startrek.website avatar

Tell that to my employer.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

I would happily do so! :)

Spot ,
@Spot@startrek.website avatar

Guess I should have worded that more as, “make my employer understand and make the switch”. We can tell them till we’re blue in the face but they do not seem to care.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

Sorry to hear it :(

BearOfaTime ,

Lol, right, right.

Out of the gate: which distro? Which shell? Now get all a business apps working there, some which were custom developed in the 90’s.

Or CAD. OneNote with SharePoint (which is extensively used). Etc, etc.

Look, there’s a lot wrong with Windows, but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic, especially large orgs. And if you only have a few users, working around the negatives is trivial with a few reg scripts, or logon scripts, or Group Policies assigned by the DC.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

but switching to Linux for nearly any business isn’t realistic

Not with that attitude.

Thalestr ,

I’d never use a Microsoft mail client anyway. I use Thunderbird.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

Thunderbird has a pretty ass UI though and it’s still pretty janky at times. I only switched to it over the mail app after email sent to our support department had some random persons name associated with the “contact”

Windows 10s mail app wasn’t bad, but now that it’s this new outlook thing I’d never go back.

bobs_monkey ,

It took me a sec to get the hang of it, but I’m good with Thunderbird

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

It’s not hard to figure out, the UI/UX is just kinda ass. It’s got that open source made for developers by developers feel and not made for actual users feel.

The biggest thing I liked about the windows 10 mail client was how well it scaled to different sized displays, and all on the fly. Thunderbird I either make it look good for my 4k monitor, but unusable on my laptop if it’s a small window, or I make it look good on the laptop and it’s horrendous use of space. Without going into crazy themes the thunderbird client looks straight outa 2002 no matter what font sizes and layouts you tweak.

bobs_monkey ,

Yeah I’m with you on the display, especially with a docking laptop. I just kinda fell into it without much searching around, I’m sure there are more user friendly clients out there but it works just fine for my usage and I honestly don’t have time or energy to go on the hunt for the perfect client lol

BearOfaTime , (edited )

I do too, but it’s a dog. So damn slow.

Outlook is fast, and that’s important.

I really hope they get the performance issues resolved in Thunderbird.

Breadhax0r ,

I guess way back when microsoft said than win10 would be the last version of windows, what the meant was it would be the last anyone wants to use.

Vendetta9076 ,
@Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works avatar

Why would I want to use any app that MS makes

Tja ,

Because some are good. VSCode for instance.

Valmond ,

Vscode is not that good IMO.

Tja ,

I’m open for suggestions for a better one, but for me it uniquely combines open source (kind of) with ease of use and functionality / expandability. I used emacs for more than a decade and switched to VSCode (although I don’t do coding as my primary activity anymore). Tried neovim, sublime, netbeans and webstorm and didn’t convince me.

sneezycat ,
@sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

Technically still made by Microsoft, but what about VSCodium?

Tja ,

That’s what I meant by “kind of” open source.

Wooki ,

Neovim, hands down.

Mic drop

Tja ,

If I were writing code 40h a week maybe, but my emacs brain can’t get used to vim motions.

theshatterstone54 ,

Why would you switch from Emacs? That’s a genuine question, as an Emacs user?

Tja ,

Support for weird stuff like integration with smart home (home assistant), better syntax highlighting / autocomplete for specific cases (like the home assistant mentioned above), better support for mixed fonts, database integration, more efficient use of screen real estate for side panels and less effort to add new languages in general (cdk, terraform, k8s with crd, go, etc), one click github copilot…

My current role needs me to deal with whatever the customer is using, so a whole lot of variability, custom resources and libraries, languages that I’m not super familiar with… It’s just easier.

If it helps, I’m still running Arch, BTW. (but probably will go with just debian when my computer dies, whenever that will be).

wuphysics87 ,

Atom was better. Pour one out for my homie

Tja ,

Yes officer, this comment right here.

Rentlar ,

New Outlook is a pile of shit compared to the desktop Outlook app. It’s been causing a lot of headaches for my coworkers. Microsoft had better port near every single feature over to the newapp before they force everyone on it.

0xtero ,

Threatening us with good times? I think I’ll stick to Mutt.

xavier666 ,

What do you want me to do, Microsoft? Install Linux twice?

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

You can do that

I recommend it, even if you don’t need it, bc it fun

xavier666 ,

Oh yes! I have done it. A bunch of Linux VMs using Ovirt running on top of CentOS just to test some kernel changes.

Mio ,

I actually like that app. But can’t use it reliable now since they gave it up. Welcome EMClient and Thunderbird.

Itookmyprozac ,
@Itookmyprozac@lemmy.ml avatar

[meme] Oh no! Anyway… [/meme]

pyre ,

oh no, please let me use those shitty apps that you keep pestering me to use and i say fuck off every time, please!

TCB13 ,
@TCB13@lemmy.world avatar

The good part: two garbage apps will be gone from windows 😂

EddoWagt ,

Replaced with one god awful one. I actually liked the calendar application, does all I need it to do. But no, I can’t have just a calendar application anymore according to Microsoft

InFerNo ,

Mozilla used to have Sunbird, until they also rolled it into Thunderbird. Standalone calendars aren’t popular anymore, but in sure there’s some around.

I understand the mail integration, as appointments can be processed directly.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

The new outlook is utter garbage. It was in fact so bad that I uninstalled it and now use it through the web front-end only. And I’m doing that in Edge - as the only website this browser is allowed to open (asides from Teams, where the software is just as terrible).

If they call it a success that no more people are complaining because they just gave up, then, congrats… I guess?

aStonedSanta ,

Oh. This sounds like a good idea lol is the search a lot faster?

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Not amazingly fast, but still quite a bit better indeed. Give it a try, to don’t need to uninstall outlook to do that after all.

AnyOldName3 ,
@AnyOldName3@lemmy.world avatar

If anyone’s in this thread because they’re looking for a new mail client after Microsoft killed the old Mail app, and haven’t been happy with the typical suggestions of using each email service’s web interface or Thunderbird, I found I don’t hate Mailspring (with the fancy features disabled - I just want my email client to do email well and don’t want extras that provide clutter).

kindenough ,

Good riddance.

I absolutely dislike Outlook desktop, don't trust it either. Used Thunderbird back in the day, but switched to emailing on tablets or phone + TrueNas for desktop files.

FairEmail Pro on tablet is all I need for email. It is open source and imo simplest to use. It's free and the pro version set me back 7€ or so.

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