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ftothe3 ,

Yes! Vivaldi!

ulkesh ,
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Built on Chromium. No thanks.

Antient ,

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    Fish ,

    I wouldn’t recommend Brave for 3 main reasons:

    1. Chromium-based
    2. Funded by venture capitalists
    3. Supported by crypto and ads

    Unfortunately, Firefox and its forks are really the only alternative to Chrome.

    sleepybisexual ,

    Also the whole brave CEO being a homophobic prick. Also that adblock will probably break under v3

    Antient ,

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    sleepybisexual ,

    Nice, doesn’t excuse the CEO tho

    Antient ,

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    sleepybisexual ,

    Good, and CEO are kinda mutually exclusive

    technocrit ,

    I’m pro-crypto enough that I tried Brave but anti-crypto enough that I had to stop.

    The popup ads were melting my brain and the payment wasn’t worth it.

    tate ,

    Will this change be implemented in Chromium too? Or will it / should it finally become independent of Chrome?

    abrahambelch ,
    @abrahambelch@programming.dev avatar

    I guess so. I don’t get your second point however. Chromium is as independent from Google/Chrome as your banking app from your bank account.

    tate ,

    I thought the situation was a little like Android. Google develops an open source version (along with as many independent developers who wish to contribute), then sticks on a bunch of proprietary BS and sells that version to phone companies. If chromium is to chrome like vanilla android is to android with g-services, then I guess my question really becomes: is google making this change in the underlying code base, or just in the BS they put on top?

    Or am I confused about how the connection works between chrome and chromium?

    abrahambelch ,
    @abrahambelch@programming.dev avatar

    Now I get your point. Technically, I think it could be possible to only include the changes in Chrome. It would make sense for Google to push the changes all the way down to Chromium, though, as this would eliminate ad blockers on many competing browsers as well. Judging based on the past I would say this is what’s gonna happen

    adarza ,

    yes, it will.

    whether or not a ‘fully functional’ and fully-featured content blocker remains available for third-party browsers that use chromium as their core will depend on those third-parties and what they add, or add back, to their own releases to support those kinds of browser extensions.

    tangentism ,

    Google isn’t blocking one of the biggest adblockers. It’s killing chrome!

    Those who aren’t using an adblock won’t notice any difference but everyone else will just migrate to a non chromium browser

    communist ,
    @communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz avatar

    This will incentivize businesses to only support chrome

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    I’m fine with not supporting them then.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    Yet another reason to use Brave, which has better native ad block than any of the other browsers.

    blackris ,
    @blackris@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Meh, Brave is still Chroium. Even if they continue to support manifest v2, even today the are selling „good“ ads to the users. That and the Crypto bullshit they tried a while ago makes them untrustworthy in my eyes.

    Firefox is the only real alternative.

    FlashMobOfOne ,
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    Brave is still Chroium

    And yet, it does a better job blocking YouTube ads than Firefox, without any add-ons.

    Crypto, Ads

    Those features are opt-in.

    princessnorah ,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    You mean by building the add-on directly into the browser? No thanks. I like my browser dev to work on my browser and my ad-block dev to work on my ad-block. They are both good at what they do on their own, I don’t need them to mix.

    Those features are opt-in.

    They are now. They were opt-out to begin with. This is one of those “fool me twice” situations. That, and the founder of Brave is also an outspoken homophobe. He financially backed Prop 8 in California to overturn same-sex marriage, and left Firefox because it was too woke. I seriously would rather Chrome at that point. They’re just regular levels of corporate evil, not “every person who uses my browser is proving my identity politics” level of evil.

    FlashMobOfOne , (edited )
    @FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org avatar

    They are now.

    That’s what I don’t get with the Anti-Brave crowd. Brave learns their users don’t like a feature and then they do better. This would, to me, be indicative of the way things should proceed.

    Meanwhile Firefox is moving backwards.

    By all means, use a browser that doesn’t work as well, but maybe don’t run a circle jerk of trolls whenever someone offers a better-working alternative.

    princessnorah ,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Personally, I think I should be able to expect a company to understand their target demographic well enough to know that those “features” wouldn’t be well received. But I also personally don’t consider ads and crypto garbage to be features. I guess if you do, then it’s the perfect browser for you. However, I don’t really want to contribute to Google’s monopolisation of browser engine development anymore. Nor do I want to use a browser developed by a homophobe. So even if Brave may be slightly “better-working” I would not consider it better at all.

    As well, even though I’m a Blahaj member, I’m going to take the time to point out the “Bee Nice” rule of the instance we’re currently on. It feels like you’re skirting dangerously close to violating that, considering you implied I’m a troll for calling out the prejudicial politics of the founder of a piece of software, which you didn’t at all address in your comment. I’m going to attach some resources about it here, if you care to read them at all:

    1. pinknews.co.uk/…/javascript-inventor-gave-1000-to…
    2. arstechnica.com/…/gay-firefox-developers-boycott-…
    3. arstechnica.com/…/mozilla-employees-to-brendan-ei…
    4. tim.dreamwidth.org/1844711.html
    5. modelviewculture.com/…/killing-the-messenger-at-m…
    6. tim.dreamwidth.org/1852118.html
    7. community.brave.com/t/…/281044

    (Some of these are older, about the push for him to step down as Mozilla CEO, some are newer and urging him to leave Brave, or for people to boycott it.)

    Xero ,
    @Xero@infosec.pub avatar

    No thanks Brendan Eich the CEO of Brave is a piece of shit.

    moonpiedumplings , (edited )

    Google put an API into Chrome that sends extra system info but only to*.google.com domains. In every Chromium browser.

    Only vivaldi caught this issue. Brave had this api enabled, most likely on accident.

    But the problem is, that chromium is just such big and complex software, when combined with development being driven by Google, it’s just impossible for any significant changes or auditing to be done by third parties. Google is capable of exteriting control over Brave, simply by hiding changes like above, or by making massive changes like manifest v3, which are expensive for third parties to maintain.

    Brave can maintain 1 big change to chromium, but for how long? What about 2, 3, etc.

    My other big problem with brave is that I see them somewhat mimicking Google’s beginnings. Google started out with 3 things: an ad network, a browser, and a search engine.

    Right now, Brave has those same three things. It feels very ominous to me, and I would rather not repeat the cycle of enshittification that drove me away from chrome and goolgle.

    CynicusRex , (edited )
    @CynicusRex@lemmy.ml avatar

    On desktop, either use:

    On Android:

    Engywuck , (edited )

    Who cares… Inbuilt adblockers are not affected by MV3.

    zeekaran ,

    Looks like I’m going to use my work laptop browser a lot less.

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