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coffeetest ,

I like Proton and I guess this kind of makes sense for them, sort of, but its weird.

kate ,

what? why?? there are so many open source options already???

LunarLoony ,
@LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

This and the new LLM “feature” in ProtonMail suggests that someone higher up has had a sniff of the techbro kool-aid.

catastrophicblues ,

Yeah. Part of what I get for paying is the Bridge app so I can use Thunderbird instead of the website. I don’t want or need the LLM thing.

LunarLoony ,
@LunarLoony@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I pay for it because I thought it was a trustworthy service that had earnt my money. Instead, if they continue with stuff like this then I’ll go back to not trusting subscription services again.

GenderNeutralBro ,

Are there any that are cloud-hosted, secure, and private? My experience is limited, but I’ve never found an easy way in. I can’t imagine anyone who’s not tech-savvy getting started without walking through a minefield of scams.

Every now and then I look at options for how I might actually use crypto, and everything looks either outrageously scammy or way too much trouble. Pretty much every exchange I’ve looked at holds the keys to your account, and several have gone under or outright stolen their users’ funds.

The question is, when Proton embraces bitcoin, should it make me trust bitcoin more, or trust Proton less? I don’t know. I’m still skeptical. Their blog post is interesting, but also doesn’t answer a lot of questions. proton.me/blog/proton-wallet-launch

I mean, look at this:

Buy Bitcoin securely in 150+ countries

If you are new to Bitcoin, Proton Wallet also has integrations that make it easy to buy Bitcoin in 150+ countries, and we have also put together a comprehensive Bitcoin guide for newcomers.

That “comprehensive” guide spends three paragraphs talking about the “Blocksize War”, and makes absolutely no mention of how a user can actually buy bitcoin using Proton Wallet. WTF, Proton? Who is your target audience here exactly?

jarfil ,

cloud-hosted, secure, and private

Until homeomorphic encryption becomes a thing, cloud can’t be secure or private.

every exchange I’ve looked at holds the keys to your account

Exchanges, are not wallets. You’re supposed to move the coins out of the exchange for safekeeping. If you can’t, then it’s not a crypto exchange, it’s an ETF peddler.

how a user can actually buy bitcoin using Proton Wallet.

Wallets, are not exchanges. They can link to exchanges, like Metamask does, but their core function is to hold your keys.

technocrit ,

Smart move for any liberated, international organization. Esp as inflation continues to impoverish people. Move into the future.

LukeZaz ,

I… can’t tell if this is sarcasm?

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

I don’t think it is.

corbin OP ,

Bitcoin’s value is significantly more volatile than the US Dollar.

jarfil ,

Volatile means that in the short term, some may win, and some may lose.

The multi-year trend though, still beats inflation hands down.

corbin OP ,

If you want to beat inflation, dump the money in a high-yield savings account, or a 401k, or a stock index, or any of the other options that have something resembling banking protection/regulation. There are so many better options than a speculative investment that you lose entirely with a social engineering attack or a SIM swap.

LukeZaz ,

Not to mention the obscene fees with using it. Crypto is rife with issues.

sleepybisexual ,

Enshittification hitting hard

Templa ,

It seems everyone here think an organization can’t have multiple teams working in more than one thing at the same time

drwho ,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

That would make too much sense, something in short supply in companies these days.

herrcaptain ,

What we’re begging for: A Linux client for Proton Drive

What we get: A fucking Bitcoin wallet

baggins ,
@baggins@beehaw.org avatar

I want to be able to print my calendar!

drdiddlybadger ,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Im about to get my pitchforks out over it man.

unexposedhazard ,

Proton and all they do was always an obvious attempt at making money off of non tech people that care about their privacy but dont know what to do.Their stuff might be free now but from how much vendor lock-in they are building into their software its quite obvious to me.

Their services are counter to all the best practices of security by design. If they spent all this time on improving existing secure systems and making them more user friendly they would have a much more positive impact.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

I’m upvoting because this is good relevant information, but man I wanted to downvote. How awful.

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