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If you ask someone "why?" enough about a subject you don't agree on, eventually both of you will come to a conclusion

Many hold strong beliefs and opinions, however not many know the roots of their belief. If a person agrees to explore it, both of you will learn something new and fascinating. The problem is finding someone who wants to think and ask the questions. This goes for both. Many want to “convince” someone, but how much do you truly know about the thing you’re trying to prove?

This also comes back to the “why?” game so many kids play. Parents get annoyed by it, but are they really annoyed at the game or their lack of knowledge depth? Play the game, find out how deep you lake of knowledge goes

blaamejsen ,

This reminds me of the 5 Why method from Toyota

DominicHillsun OP ,

Yes! Just learned about it, seems to be very similar to what I had in mind ^^

AFKBRBChocolate ,

We use this at work a lot when there’s been some kind of failure. The idea is to try and get to the real root cause of an issue, not just the immediate cause. Like maybe an engine failed because a valve didn’t open - you could correct that by replacing the valve, but why didn’t the valve open? Maybe it was stuck and the initial force to open it was more than the actuator could handle. Okay, so maybe we could lubricate it somehow, but why was it stuck. Maybe the supplier changed their cleaning method and switched to a new chemical. Why did they do that? Oh, because it was cheaper. That’s the real root cause: the supplier tried to cut costs by switching to an inferior cleaning chemical. Time to work with them to fix that. All of the other fixes would have only helped that one valve on that one engine - this one fixes all of them.

keenanpepper ,

See also Double Cruxing

Sdot ,

That was an interesting read - thanks for posting

intensely_human ,

Why should I do that?

crossmr ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ0eWm5PxkU

Seems appropriate

DominicHillsun OP ,

I had Louis C.K bit in mind when I wrote about the “why?” game bit. Comedy is a wonderful way to introduce people to more complex subjects

intensely_human ,

I don’t believe that’s true. People have different value hierarchies, so you won’t necessarily agree with them no matter how much you clarify knowledge.

For example, my value hierarchy changed when I got attacked on the street once. It made me realize how terrifying it was to see my life about to end, and that moved “staying alive” up the hierarchy.

Now I think taking away people’s weapons is a terrible thing. But I can’t convince anyone else of this by talking to them about it, unless they value the protection of life as powerfully as I do.

I thought I valued my safety, but I really didn’t. I took a lot more risks before that happened, because I valued fun, social status, money, exploration over safety.

So my values shifted, without any new knowledge of the world (at least not that I can convey in words), and as a result my decisions and worldview changed.

It sounds horrible, but I don’t know if I could alter another’s philosophy on this by talking. I’d have to disguise myself as a stranger and beat them half to death, then come back as myself again to really get on the same page.

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