Analysis: Nuclear war would be more devastating for Earth’s climate than cold war predictions

golden_zealot , 2 hours ago

Yea, I don’t think we’d have to worry about it much though.

yogthos OP , 2 hours ago

Given that the US is currently debating whether to start a full on WW3, it’s absolutely something to worry about right now.

otp , 2 hours ago

I hadn’t heard that. Do you have a source for that?

yogthos OP , 2 hours ago

US is about to approve deep strikes into Russia. The difference here from previous escalations is that the strikes would have to be done by NATO personnel. Russia stated that it would consider this to be a direct act of war by NATO against Russia because it would be NATO troops launching strikes into Russia. At that point we are effectively in WW3 between NATO and Russia.

• apnews.com/…/russia-ukraine-war-long-distance-mis…
• news.sky.com/…/putin-long-range-missile-approval-…

otp , 2 hours ago

Thank you! I read most of the first one and skimmed the second – I don’t get why they strikes would need to be done by NATO personnel.

Both articles allude to the fact that Putin considers it to be an attack by NATO because they’d be NATO-supplied weapons, but given his track record, he’d probably say anything more than turning a blind eye is an offense by NATO.

yogthos OP , 2 hours ago

The strikes have to be done by NATO personnel because these missiles use NATO satellite guidance, and are designed to only be operated by military personnel of the respective countries. This was earlier confirmed by Scholtz as a justification for not sending taurus missiles to Ukraine, and the leaked conversation of German officers.

Western media omits the important part of the statement, but If you listen to what he says, he’s specifically talking about NATO personnel operating the weapons www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBjK08eM1Ys

ijhoo , 2 hours ago

It’s probably a discussion for allowing Ukraine to do what they want with long range weapons.

Russia has made pretty direct statements about what happens then - they will consider NATO to be in direct war with Russia.

reuters.com/…/russia-threatens-ukraine-west-long-…

reuters.com/…/putin-says-west-will-be-fighting-di…

otp , 2 hours ago

Russia claiming X means war with NATO has been a bit of a recurring theme throughout the war.

yogthos OP , 1 hour ago

Please do provide a previous official quote from Russia stating that. I’ll save you the trouble though, cause it doesn’t exist.

golden_zealot , 1 hour ago (edited 1 hour ago)

I’m not talking about nuclear war. I’m talking about the climate after a nuclear war - what the article and the headline is about. The implication of my comment is that there would be no people to worry about the climate because they’d all be dead on account of global thermonuclear war.

yogthos OP , 8 minutes ago

Ah yeah, vast majority of human population isn’t going to be worried about much of anything once we’re dead.

trevor , 1 hour ago

Hopefully Russia ceases their invasion soon then. They could have ended it any time they wanted, but for some reason, they insist on keeping their “three-day, special military operation” going.

I’m rooting for peace. Hopefully, Russia comes around.

yogthos OP , 1 hour ago

It’s quite obvious that Russia is not going to just pack up and go home at this point. The only question here is whether the west would end the world in a nuclear holocaust if it can’t have Ukraine in its sphere of influence.

trevor , 1 hour ago

That’s an interesting way of framing Russia ending the world in a nuclear holocaust because Ukraine didn’t want to be a part of Russia’s sphere of influence.

It would be best for everyone if Russia would stop the escalation, and I hope they do. If not, we have to find a better solution to imperialism than appeasement, because that doesn’t work long-term either.

yogthos OP , 5 minutes ago

The same way the US would end the world if Russia started building bases in Mexico. In fact, this exact scenario already happened during the Cuban missile crisis. Anybody who keeps peddling the notion that Russia should just accept NATO encroachment is deeply intellectually dishonest.

It’s obvious to everyone with even a minimally functioning brain that Russia isn’t just going to pack up and go home after nearly three years of war. Especially given that Russia is very obviously winning the war at this point. NATO has a choice to accept reality that they lost or to start a nuclear holocaust. It’s pretty clear that there are plenty of imbeciles living in NATO countries who would prefer the latter.

Meanwhile, this whole narrative of appeasement is the height of bullshit. Everybody appeased the US and NATO when they invaded Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, and countless other countries. The US currently occupies a larger percentage of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. The appeasement just means that NATO has to accept that another country is doing what NATO does regularly.