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bblkargonaut ,

I will always have a special place in my heart for the Kevin timeline because it was my gateway drug to the good stuff. I wound up watching all of Star Trek in chronical order enterprise to Voyager.

Rom ,
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Broke: Discovery is NuTrek

Woke: Voyager is NuTrek

Bespoke: TNG is NuTrek

tacosanonymous ,

I don’t mind the Kelvin films. Karl Urban as Bones makes it all worth while.

They’re just popcorn flicks. Watch or don’t watch and it’s not like the Star Trek Universe is altered in any way. (Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise)

data1701d ,
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I used to think Chris Pine Kirk was better than Shatner. I now kind of feel like Pine’s the best Captain, but SNW Kirk’s the best gentlemanly lady killer kirk.

propter_hog ,
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Also, those movies are better than everything after Wrath of Khan, movie-wise

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brainw0rms ,
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“I wish they hadn’t gone and made Star Trek political!”

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data1701d ,
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Based on a real situation I encountered once: Normal Star Trek Fan: Yeh, I like Seven of Nine.

“Red flag” Star Trek Fan: I like Seven of Nine.

Sanctus ,
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Oh no, it doesnt mean New Trek. I have comments to go edit.

criitz ,

I don’t really like any Trek past DS9 Don’t hate me

reminiscensdeus ,

VOY and ENT are good

Damage ,

Never liked VOY, writing is poor… Not interesting sci-fi like TNG, not a captivating story like DS9…
The Doctor is essentially the only good part. Maybe Seven of Nine, Jery Ryan is a great actress, despite the embarrassing clothing.

SNW is good, DIS is whack. PIC essentially crapped all over the past series’ development, killed Hugh, Ro, Icheb, made the Federation grimdark… Monk Worf was cool tho.

Zorque ,

Voyager’s writing is inconsistent. There’s some fantastic episodes… and then there’s salamanders.

Corgana OP ,
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As long as you don’t take every available opportunity to steer every single online conversation towards how you don’t like a tv show then we’re cool

UlyssesT , (edited )

It’s a massive, massive red flag when someone goes the “Terran Empire/Section 31 did nothing wrong” route.

It’s very common in zone chat on Star Trek Online. Some fascists just hang around Earth Spacedock all day there, posting nonstop fascist screeds, and if they’re ever actually out in their ships, without fail it’s “ISS” prefix with names like “AYN RAND.”

Disclaimer: Yes some people play bad guys in their games, but I don’t think just playing the part involves hours-long rants about why the (slurs here) need to be wiped out in zone chats.

EDIT: I think I’ll add “fervent Discovery apologists, especially ones that stan for space fascists after contrived apology arcs,” if only because of their repeated tendency to feel very smart to the point of undue arrogance about contrived “what if mass murdering dictators… actually good once the protagonist buddies up with them?” bad writing cliches.

buckykat ,

Discovery bringing Georgiou back in season 2 as a Section 31 agent felt to me like the show was doing this, and is what put me off that show specifically. I really like the majority of modern Trek shows, and even like 2 out of 3 of the Kelvin timeline movies.

UlyssesT ,

I was generous, even patient, with Strange New Worlds and enjoyed it for the most part, if only because it was not Discovery and its tiresome contrarian “what if evil people… adorable scamps? What if everyone is kind of an asshole? What if moral ambiguity makes the audience feel very very smart while justifying whatever the writers want to show without feeling bad about it?”

buckykat ,

I like Strange New Worlds. Very much hoping they complicate the Gorn cliffhanger they left the last season off with though.

UlyssesT ,

It was an experience explaining to my wife (who only watched SNW and Lower Decks and The Orville and only knew about TOS from secondhand sources) that Kirk would totally strike a truce with the Gorn… and that’s why some of them were just chilling, having a nice wedding in Lower Decks that Rutherford rudely interrupted.

buckykat ,

Your wife has watched 3/4 of the good modern Trek series and should watch Prodigy. (and the TNG era Treks)

UlyssesT ,

She lost interest after the first episodes of Prodigy, but I may try again sometime. I heard good things and it’s better to watch new shows together.

buckykat ,

It’s very good and only gets better as it goes on. Season 2 was fantastic.

ValueSubtracted ,
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Georgiou eventually turned on her S31 superiors, joined the Discovery crew, and tried to make the Mirror Universe better when the Guardian (sort of) gave her the opportunity.

UlyssesT ,

Space Hitler felt kind of bad about some things and made some space friends and promises to make the next Space Reich a little nicer. No need for Space Nuremburg, for real. sus

ValueSubtracted ,
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So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you? Or would you rather keep deflecting?

UlyssesT , (edited )

So what about any of that screams “the Terran Empire did nothing wrong” to you?

I wasn’t talking about you in particular, nor was I making the connection to that character when I was talking about red flags until you forcibly made it for me.

Read again. I was talking about people posting sometimes hours-long screeds in public zone chat channels in an online game about how badly they want to exterminate undesirables, that also happen to almost universally identify with the Terran Empire or Section 31 between such rants.

Because you went off into the weeds to make excuses for a specific character, I did happen to roll my eyes at the “the mass murdering dictator is sorry and that somehow means she is okay now, feeling bad and promising to be nicer rebalances the scales in a way that karmically un-kills everyone she murdered” argument, though it was a different topic and wasn’t even connected to what I was saying about toxic fans (and the actual topic brought up in this thread).

Or would you rather keep deflecting?

Spare me the catty Reddit zingers.

ValueSubtracted ,
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Cool cool, you’re just inverting irrelevant comments into a discussion I was having with someone else.

Truly dazzling.

UlyssesT ,

Are you continuing to believe that your sidetrack fandom-driven defensiveness had much to do with what I was talking about to begin with, even after I answered your still-silly and increasingly-off topic claim that a character feeling bad and promising to do better somehow un-does the atrocities she did before?

I’m not going to congratulate you for your favorite bad writing cliche.

Truly dazzling.

jagoff

ValueSubtracted ,
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Hey look, the guy who broke the land speed record on the way to Godwin has thoughts on cliches!

UlyssesT , (edited )

Godwin

rstreet.org/…/i-created-godwins-law-in-1990-but-i…

Do you have anything else to add but more seething rage? You brought up Godwin’s law first there. Was that because of some guilty conscience about the edgy contrarian character cliches you stan for that needs to be buried under more smug Reddity zingers?

Damage ,

Well, section 31 did save the whole alpha quadrant from the Dominion…

UlyssesT ,

If you believe there was no possible way to do that without an unaccountable space CIA, believe what you will.

If you’re not also posting real-life extermination apologia in public zone chats in online games on the side, good enough for me.

Damage ,

Nah genocide isn’t my jam… But yes, I believe the Dominion war wouldn’t have ended without the virus. The Dominion would have just kept sending ships and Jem’Hadar from the Gamma quadrant.

Edit: btw I dislike the way DIS “unshrouded” section 31. It was much cooler in DS9 where we were left to wonder whether it actually existed or not, or it was just Sloane being godlike in his manipulation skills.

UlyssesT ,

Of course, because it’s fiction, and whatever the writer says is the only solution winds up being the necessary solution. That’s why torture provides useful and accurate information and is necessary in “24” and why poisoning an entire planetary population is necessary with no other options presented as possible for the sake of interstellar peace in DS9.

The problem is in carrying that implied (intentional or not) message away from the fiction and holding it as real-life wisdom instead of a work of fiction with its own convenient Thermian Arguments to justify pretty much anything the writer wants to justify.

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lugal ,

The Cage is peak trek

Never accepted Kirk and those after as real trek

sp3tr4l ,

What’s the face for anyone who remembers that by TOS canon, the greek god Apollo is real and just got bored of Earth and fucked off to another planet?

Takeshidude ,

I’ve taken to the term 3rd-wave Trek for the 2010s-present shows to identify the stylistic differences in production compared to shows made in the 80s-90s or 60s.

Each era is molded by the media conventions of it’s time. And there I go reinventing Marshal McLuhan again: “the medium is the message”

lugal ,

Where do you put ENT? I say it feels very different from the not much earlier VOY but not as a wave in its own right. And while we’re at it: TAS

Zorque ,

Echoes, like when a wave hits something else and creates some dissonance.

SGG ,

What if I say all trek is both NuTrek and OldTrek because accidental time travel

Corgana OP ,
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Creative fun in-universe answers are always:

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metaStatic ,

I would say "I've got faith of the heart"

reminiscensdeus ,

If it doesn’t have 20+ episode seasons it’s nutrek

Corgana OP ,
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Zorque ,

So season one of DS9 and voyager?

USSBurritoTruck ,
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NuTrek apparently began in 1973.

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lugal ,

How many episodes has TAS?

propter_hog ,
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Nu Trek is, to me, just the kelvin shit. The new shows on CBS are legit, especially lower decks.

Corgana OP ,
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