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radlschorsch , German
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Wo bleiben die Universitäten im Fediverse?

Warum betreiben Universitäten nicht schon längst eigene Mastodon-Instanzen?

Warum bekommen Studierende nicht mit der Immatrikulation auch einen Mastodon-Handle?

Warum hosten Universitäten Vorlesungsvideos nicht über PeerTube im Fediverse?

Es gibt einiges, das für ein stärkeres Engagement von Universitäten im Fediverse spricht.

Ein Aufruf den man nur unterstützen kann!

https://netzpolitik.org/2023/aufruf-hochschulen-aller-laender-ins-fediverse/

radlschorsch OP ,
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English Version
Where are the universities in the Fediverse?

Why don't universities have their own Mastodon instances yet?

Why don't students get a Mastodon handle when they enrol?

Why don't universities host lecture videos on PeerTube in the Fediverse?

There is a lot to be said for universities getting more involved in the Fediverse.

A call that can only be supported!


https://netzpolitik.org/2023/a-call-to-action-universities-of-the-world-into-the-fediverse/

srfirehorseart ,
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@radlschorsch

I suspect that UK universities are limited by government policy and contract agreements as to what official platforms they can use

That said, I'm sure there must be a lot of personal Fedi accounts in @academicchatter @edutooters and so on.

Can any academics comment?

:fediverse:

bensb ,
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@srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters I don't think this has to do with "government policy", but rather with a) inertia and b) avoiding the responsibility of content moderation. The latter, I think, is unfortunately a big one. Universities would feel exposed to legal and reputational risks for posts disseminated on "their" fedi instance.

dsfgs ,

@bensb @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters
Where are universities on a whole host of things, including furthering the availability of free-license and open-source software which they seem to be doing less and less.

We think universities are well placed to also provide I2P nodes and nodes for other federated systems.

To us it seems that universities have largely been , in they act more as real-estate developers regrettably.

RichardShaw ,
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@srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters

Academics can generally use any platform they like. Attempts by management to limit this will generally lead to a revolt.

However, academics on social media tend to be those most in need of attention. I can think of dozens who joined Mastodons last year, with many of the most vocal, saying how awful twitter was.

Most have quietly gone back to X, to get the attention they crave.

cra1g ,
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@RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters
[hesitantly raises hand] I'm an academic and the only social media platform I use mainly for professional use is LinkedIn. My others are primarily or strictly personal. That said, the Xitter meltdown led me to create this account mostly in search of community, not fame or a platform. Not finding it here, I've started using Reddit more, which is great for my topic-focused info-gathering needs. I'm online mostly to learn.

independentpen ,
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@cra1g
I find the academic discourse here waaaay better than on the birdsite
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cra1g ,
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@independentpen @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters Certainly is! My use of Xitter (pronounced shi***r) is now about one check-in a week just to keep Elmo from locking me out for lack of use -- I still hope he sells it some day to a responsible actor.

independentpen ,
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@cra1g
I'm sad to hear you're not finding community here. Care to say more? I have felt so at home on this platform but I know that's not a universal experience
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cra1g ,
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@independentpen @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters Just not as much diversity of original sources here as on some other platforms, and the federated nature makes it hard to find actual communities instead of just one-off individuals.

nellie_m ,
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@cra1g @independentpen @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters

agree that federation poses somewhat of a challenge, especially for small instances. What I’ve found useful:

  • follow and use hashtags. That’s something I feel ex-Twitter users don’t do enough. If you’re an admin on a small server, use https://relay.fedi.buzz/ to get them pushed to you.
  • browse https://fedi.directory for interesting accounts.
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nellie_m ,
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@cra1g @independentpen @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters

  • use groups. They, too, push posts, which helps with federation.
    https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/
  • you could occasionally browse the local timeline of a different sciency instance to find new people.
  • follow all interesting accounts popping up on your timeline via hashtags or boosts.

And of course, if you don’t follow @lisamelton yet, now is the time 🙂

lisamelton ,
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gpollara ,
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@cra1g @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters I echo that sentiment Craig. The draw to twitter has been the community for discussion, networking and learning, not really the attention. The problem is that the few attention seekers out there end up drawing in the crowd, so it sucks in with it many others in the field too, creating the network effect that any other platform struggles to overcome.

radlschorsch OP ,
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cra1g ,
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@radlschorsch @gpollara @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @academicchatter @edutooters It seems obvious that companies and universities that produce a lot of communication should consider hosting a dedicated Fediverse server. So many advantages with so few costs.

stevendbrewer ,
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@cra1g @radlschorsch @gpollara @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @academicchatter @edutooters As @Dtl said, Universities aren't hosting anything anymore: they've let most of their technical staff go and contract with giant vendors for services. It's very sad.

cra1g ,
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@stevendbrewer @radlschorsch @gpollara @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @academicchatter @edutooters @Dtl My university is a radical, then, as we host a lot of things (recently started up a new computing cluster on campus) and have more IT staff today than when I started 20+ years ago.

stevendbrewer ,
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vtraag ,
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rspfau ,
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@vtraag @radlschorsch @gpollara @cra1g @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @academicchatter @edutooters @cwts Our university has almost no IT staff...mostly student workers. Noone to set it up and noone to moderate.

Oozenet ,
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@RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters I have also noticed that the great bulk of academics who came here last November are gone.

Oozenet ,
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@RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters But then the great bulk of academics are busy destroying academia by means of the great publishing scam so I shouldn't be surprised.

RichardShaw ,
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@Oozenet @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters

The publishing scam is just a side effect.

I think the real problem with academia is that it trains people to think like very poor middle managers, who rather than solve problems pursue badly corrupted metrics in order to advance their careers.

Oozenet ,
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@RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters 100% agree. We are absolutely at that place where career advancement is more important to most academics than building a robust, ethics based, sustainable academic environment that nourishes students and staff. i.e. we are so fucked. But, don't feel like I am picking on academia, it is a society wide effect.

sarahjelm ,
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@Oozenet @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters
It’s definitely a system thing …
Every new professor & research student should be forced to read Stuart Richie’s Science Fictions as an introduction ;)

gpollara ,
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@Oozenet @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters I must say that saddens me. Many were put off by the 'complexity' here. Perhaps that was fair, but also unfortunate, as this place has improved vastly in terms of features and UI, but by the time this has happened, most have left and won't give a second look. was almost too ready but not ready enough last year!

Oozenet ,
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@gpollara @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters Honestly if one is smart enough to be an academic the operation of Mastodon should not vex one.

juandesant ,
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@Oozenet @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters in which areas? The
astrophysics oriented academic presence is strong…

Oozenet ,
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@juandesant @RichardShaw @srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters I'm religion, history, anthropology, sociology, archeology and IT. Only IT has remained steady.

sejarnold ,
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@srfirehorseart @radlschorsch @academicchatter @edutooters I don't think it's a policy thing - not aware of anything stopping e.g. a Biology department getting a Mastodon account - and more that the staff/resources around comms/social media can be limited, so they'll tend to focus on max. reach to target audiences (students/partners/funders), which means "trendy" and high traffic options like Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. Not a lot of time to invest in nurturing a Mastodon.

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