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What's the catch with Stremio + Torrentio + Real Debrid

After my last post on here asking about convenient streaming options at higher resolutions, I got a few comments recommending Stremio with Torrentio and Real Debrid.

I ended up going through with that and streamed a 4k movie. That said, what’s the catch? I’m a little paranoid because I’m not sure if this still counts as torrenting, and if I should be using a VPN while watching something from RD.

No such thing as free lunch, so I’m assuming there’s other downsides to this solution, could someone let me know what they are?

gamey ,
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I use it and don’ care much but it’s definitely Torrenting so if you are in a country with bad laws and very paranoid you whould probably use a VPN but just know that the few actual lawsuites that came from this bs are at best symbolic and your chance to get hit by a lightning is probably a lot higher.

derivada ,

Using a debrid service is paying for a third party to do the torrenting, so your IP is not in the torrent swarm. Your ISP knows you’re using the service, but they don’t know whether you’re streaming illegal content, which means there are no grounds to subpoena neither the ISP nor the debrid service logs.

a VPN is probably not needed imho.

I am not a/your lawyer.

janguv ,

I would say the only potential issue (and it’s a remote one without any irl consequences as far as I know) is this: your IP is logged, and you can’t use a VPN to create an account or buy a subscription either, so potentially that information is all there. Plus, there is a download history for every file – I’ve no idea what they keep on record or how long. So in theory with the right subpoenas, information such as your IP, your bank details (if you didn’t choose an anonymous method), and the exact files you pirated are available.

I’ve no idea how much of that could be realized in practice. And I would like to be wrong about it all.

That said, the likelihood of all this is probably very slim indeed. I would describe this as the only potential catch. It’s worth noting that you wouldn’t be able to be penalized for an action such as “sharing” copyrighted content though, since you’d only be downloading, not seeding.

sylverstream ,

I can’t see any downsides. I’ve switched recently from an *arr stack to Stremio and can’t be happier. Even with all the automation, I found it annoying that I first had to download something before I could watch it, after which Bazarr had to download subtitles (which only happens every couple of hours) and Kodi had to be updated before it was visible there. And downloading obvious requires storage.

Stremio also works across devices which is awesome. I bookmark shows on the go and watch it in the evening on my CCWGTV.

We’ve already noticed that we enjoy watching media more.

Tired8281 ,

RD honours takedowns, so sometimes content vanishes from them.

IzyaKatzmann ,

Could anyone comment on how these compare to usenets?

Rambler ,

Interested myself as a usenet user.

Rambler ,

Interested myself as a usenet user.

RyanHx ,

Real-debrid is already doing what a VPN does for you - it downloads the files on your behalf then sends them to you via an encrypted connection. Your ISP will see you’re downloading from RD, but they won’t know what. If you’re doing regular torrenting via another client then of course use a VPN, but it’s not necessary with solely Torrentio+RD.

nestEggParrot ,

That sounds like seedbox not VPN.

RyanHx ,

Well if we’re strictly talking about the ability to hide what you’re downloading from your ISP then the end result is the same.

Except debrid services also gives you premium access to dozens of file hosting sites as well (megaup, 1fichier etc.) - in the case of file hosters the download is streamed to you immediately so there’s no waiting for RD to download first.

Seedboxes will also impose storage limits. In the case of real-debrid you’re limited to 2TB per torrent, or 72 hour download time.

nestEggParrot ,

Ive no experience using debrid nor seedbox services. Just responded saying what they described were more like seedbox than a VPN as the comment mentioned.

RyanHx ,

All good, just trying to get the right info out there for anyone wondering the same.

illyria817 ,

You don’t need a VPN with Torrentio + Real Debrid. You are not torrenting - they already torrented it for you, and you are streaming the cached file directly from the RD servers. I think the only “catch” is that it’s not free (obviously) so I don’t think you can call it “free lunch” lol. Torrentio addon specifically scrapes the debrid service - now, if you were to install, say, TPB addon for Stremio, it would be torrenting, so you don’t want to do that without a VPN.

Jaluvshuskies , (edited )

This is what I understand as well. I have been using it (well, specifically streamio + Rd with torrentio addon) for half a year so far and it’s fantastic. Definitely seems too good to be true, but there’s no catch imo :)

There’s only 3 cons which for me aren’t big deal breakers unless it’s important to you

  • No auto renewal
  • Not free, it’s like $6 for 6 months or something which imo is insanely affordable and an incredibly good deal
  • If you watch on multiple devices but at the same time, you get banned

EDIT: As I was corrected below, bullet 3 only applies when under the same IP using different external IP addresses

win95 ,
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I haven’t looked up info on it yet - but the multiple devices at the same time, that’s for one RD account I assume? So, could my spouse and I technically pay for 2 accounts in the same household, or no?

Jaluvshuskies , (edited )

As far as I understand, yes! That’s correct. I have 1 account so I can’t stream multiple devices at the same time. But if you have 2 separate accounts there shouldn’t be issues. I’m like 95% sure but someone correct me if wrong

EDIT: As I was corrected below, you only can’t stream multiple devices at the same time when using different external IP addresses

shortypig ,

You can absolutely stream as many devices as you please at the same time from the same IP address from a single account. You only get in trouble with RD if you stream from 2 different IP addresses simultaneously.

Jaluvshuskies ,

Ah that’s the important part I was forgetting, I appreciate the correction!

janguv ,

Your edit clarification is wrong btw. It should read: only applies when using different external IP addresses.

Jaluvshuskies ,

Thanks once again, jesus I can’t read lol

Learning2Draw ,

So it’s two months later, this still working for you? I’m looking at this for myself just setting up unraid now…

Jaluvshuskies ,

Yes, I use it practically daily and have had 0 issues aside from the very rare occasional maintenance/short outage. here’s the guide originally from reddit that I followed after spending some time trying to figure it out

sylverstream ,

you don’t want to do that without a VPN.

It depends on the country. Here in NZ it’s not a problem to torrent, they’re not actively going after pirates. This may change of course.

Gailthesnail ,

real debrid scraping has gotten way worse after rarbg’s downfall. it doesnt scrape torrentgalaxy correctly and i have no idea how to fix it

iHUNTcriminals ,

I used to use it without real debrid. It just torrents the stream so yeah von would be needed for that method.

Personally I’d still use a VPN with realdebrid.

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    iHUNTcriminals ,

    Idk don’t use real debrid so idk. Tbh my VPN doesn’t lower my speed by anything noticeable. Maybe it would be different if I had better internet but I max out at 10mBs or MBs idk what the right one is.

    DARbarian ,
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    Definitely use a VPN. My roommate got us DMCA'd for Transformers of all things when he used a stream from Torrentio (not Real Debrid). Brought him onto my VPN and Real-Debrid after that.

    spez ,

    fucking first world shit.

    Dartanjang ,

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    ramblinguy ,

    I use All Debrid, and I can’t even connect to the download servers when I turn on Mullvad

    wolfshadowheart ,
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    The only DMCA I've ever received was also from Transformers. Wtf Universal lol.

    The VR version no less! You literally can't even buy it!

    randromeda OP ,

    Was he using another debrid service? Because from what I understand you can only stream if the file is cached by the service, otherwise torrentio just gives you the torrent. Without a VPN it makes sense why he got DMCA’d

    RyanHx ,

    torrentio just gives you the torrent

    If it’s not cached there’ll instead be links that makes RD start a new download of that torrent (this can be disabled in Torrentio settings). The reason not to use those links would just be because you have to wait for RD to finish the download, but in either case you’re never torrenting yourself. You’ll see “RD+” above the quality label of streams which tells you it’s from real-debrid, so you’ll always know if it’s not.

    Lowered_lifted ,

    Paying for Real Debrid puts them in a legal grey area/they do log your IP. So use a VPN.

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