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Reminder: seeders, please seed on I2P

Regular users in Sweden are in danger because a corporation needs to fill their pockets. Studios are suing your ISPs to get to you.

Use I2P. It will hide your IP address (among the many things it can do), afford you more privacy and allow you to torrent freely, even without a VPN/seedbox. The catch? You’ll have to add the I2P trackers to your torrent.

I believe I2P is the way forward for piracy and I look forward to it getting bigger than it already is.

oscardejarjayes ,
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Andromxda ,
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Does anyone know of a fairly uncomplicated method to set up my seedbox, so I can seed on the clearnet and I2P at the same time, without having to store two copies of all my torrents? I already seed terrabytes of torrent data, and I don’t want to store duplicates of all that.

Findmysec OP ,

Unfortunately, Qbittorrent’s I2P support is still experimental. Assuming your seedbox provider can let you run BiglyBT or any other client that can cross-seed, all you have to do is add I2P trackers to your torrent file. You can also upload your torrent files to Postman on I2P for them to be registered.

ReversalHatchery ,

I know nothing about seedboxes, but on a computer you can point multiple torrents to the same directory. If you make it read-only, by permission or mount options or whatever, the torrent client can’t even fuck it up

aida ,

seed!!! I have already started my i2p setup and i will donate my bandwith

melroy ,
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https://geti2p.net/en/ looks like Tor. but it is not the same?

sploodged ,

similar yes but not the same. tor held together by volunteer that run nodes, i2p everyone is a node. tor good for clearnet things, i2p good for in-network things. torrenting in i2p is good for i2p, not tor. torrenting in i2p stays in the i2p network, doesn’t go through exit nodes. there’s only about 3 of those. it’s torrenting as a darknet hidden service.

melroy ,
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Yeah, thanks for clearing this up. I was also reading: https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/tor if people want to know more in depth.

melroy ,
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After reading that whole page, I think your point is missing.. The use case of Tor and i2p isn't correctly explained on that site.

sploodged ,

yeah some of the docs on the official site lean more technical than practical

Findmysec OP ,

I2P is P2P, TOR is not. That is the gist of the matter

AlexWIWA ,

Does being a node open one to liability?

ExcessShiv , (edited )

A proper VPN provider is sufficient to protect against this though. If you, as a Swedish citizen, weren’t already using a VPN, you were being an idiot.

I mean, it still makes sense to also use I2P, but it is currently not good enough as a full replacement.

melroy ,
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People who accepted this situation, promoted or even have implemented this are also idiots. Be warned, this can happen in every country, both US and in EU..

Findmysec OP ,

A VPN company can easily give up your details to the police who are now actively going after citizens. VPNs are not enough anymore.

Is there a problem with I2P adoption? I’m sensing a massive lack of interest from this thread

Abnorc ,

I admit that I’m skeptical since everyone is a node. It probably is fine, but I don’t know the risks that I take by volunteering as a node. I thought that VPNs can be fine as long as they don’t store logs, but I could be mistaken.

Findmysec OP ,

VPNs usually do store your IP when you connect to them, even if they delete it later (it is technically impossible to not know the IP address of whoever is connecting to the VPN). And the likes of Mullvad and IVPN do not allow port-forwarding.

I will repeat what I said to the other commenter: please read the documentation. Being a router doesn’t mean that traffic and its contents can be linked to your identity. Data is broken down into chunks and encrypted along with metadata being scrambled. Unless there’s a zero day I’m unaware of, you are perfectly safe.

ReversalHatchery ,

as a node

  • you are unable to see the contents of traffic you route thanks to layered encryption
  • you wont be routing traffic to the internet (unless you specifically set it up), but only to other I2P routers
onlinepersona ,

Being a node isn’t an issue. The traffic is encrypted, the destinations are unknown to the nodes themselves, and the traffic does not leave the overlay network (I2P). In TOR, you also have something similar, but the traffic can exit the overlay network but to do so, your node must be an exit node. I2P nodes are internal by default and it’s not that easy to make it an exit node.

You are very safe being a node in I2P.

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ExcessShiv , (edited )

A good VPN won’t have any details to hand over that will convict you, even if they wanted to (e.g. mullvad), so they most definitely are enough.

And police are not going after citizens, rights holders are (like they always have been) by suing ISPs in hopes of getting your info.

What in don’t like about I2P, is being a node for other peoples traffic.

Findmysec OP , (edited )

VPNs log your IP. And Mullvad doesn’t allow port-forwarding, which means you can’t seed.

Being a node for traffic doesn’t mean it can be linked to your identity, because everything is encrypted and metadata is scrambled. TOR node operators take much greater risks because depending on how they have set it up, it can lead to their identity being compromised. It’s a small chance but it can happen.

I can’t convince you. I only hope that people start seeing the need for it and begin reading the documentation to see its strengths

ExcessShiv , (edited )

VPNs log your IP.

But they don’t log the data going through. The IP alone will not be enough for a conviction at all. They also need to prove that you acquired/shared copyrighted content. Any proper VPN isn’t going to log that.

But if you think like that I suppose you aren’t very interested in running TOR relays or exits either.

No, I’m not at all interested in that either. I don’t want to risk any nefarious traffic that I have no control over running through my network.

I get the appeal of I2P for torrenting and I can absolutely see the value it can bring. But as long as I will have to be a node for other random peoples traffic, I’ll pass.

Scary_le_Poo ,
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I feel as though this take is fully fud. It sounds like a take that came from seeing tons of advertisements for vpns without really understanding how they work. Maybe I’m wrong about you. That said, in general, a VPN is not a great cloak for piracy.

ExcessShiv , (edited )

If there was a completely zero percent risk that I would be used as a node for something truly horrible, I also wouldn’t mind. But I’d rather torrent with a slightly elevated risk rather than enabling things that should not be enabled. By torrenting with a VPN, at least I have the control over what happens on my network and exactly what data I’m part of sharing.

ReversalHatchery ,

there is 0% risk until your country makes a law that prohibits any and all P2P communication. That would not only break torrents, but would thwart signal/telegram/whatsapp calls too, Jitsi meetings, probably google meet and zoom too, as all those use P2P traffic for performance.

So far there are only such laws in far east countries, and the official java I2P router is smart enough to not participate in routing when you are in such a place.
Also, I think for routing to work you need to open a port, without it that won’t be done.

1984 ,
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If there are no logs, there is nothing to give up. There is no law that they have to keep logs as far as I know.

onlinepersona ,

If there are no logs, there is nothing to give up. There is no law that they have to keep logs as far as I know.

You have to trust that the VPN provider doesn’t store logs. I2P is pretty much trustless besides where the binary comes from, but you can even compile it yourself.

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Imgonnatrythis ,

It’s not big at all. But agree, this is the way.

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