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I used to love Android but I want to move, and I don't know if it's the right thing.

I was an iOS supporter until iphone 5 then I discovered the beauty and freedom of Android.

To this day with Samsung s22+

But currently I am a bit tired, there is no android phone that I am passionate about, oneplus has given me nothing but problems, Samsung with exynos is a disaster (not to mention the new blockages at sideload and the green stripes on the display), I don’t even want to go near all the other Chinese brands, and Nothing is not what it promised to be.

I want to go back to iOS but there are a few things holding me back:

  • how can sideload be managed on iOS? Are there modified apps like youtube, reddit?
  • I follow a lot of NSFW channels on telegram, discord and reddit itself, are there any problems on iOS? are there ways around this? (my girlfriend has iOS, and every time I want to forward an nsfw gif she doesn’t see it)
  • surf the sea, is it complex on ios? Especially in terms of gaming?

TBH only yt, nsfw and modded apk keep me on android. Thanks a lot in advance

Shimitar ,

Xiaomi. Or poco, redmi… Same stuff. For 200 bucks you get awesome phones and you can usually always remove stock and install LineageOS. They are all freely uockable and still under warranty after that.

Get a model near its end of market life, buy new the oldest you can find… Unlock, install LineageOS, enjoy.

I bought my Poco X3 NFC for 160€ 4 years ago and still rocks today with LineageOS 21 (Android 14).

(It usually take 6 months to 1 year for each new model to get LineageOS support, so don’t buy the latest model Also worth looking if there is official support on LineageOS before buy, or at least some unofficial ports).

i_love_FFT ,
@i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml avatar

Asus Zenfone are nice as well

priapus ,

Samsung is garbage IMO, and OnePlus has been getting worse for years. Pixels offer the smoothest experience. Nothing phones are really nice too.

Wdym about the gifs? there should be nothing stopping you from sending those on any device.

Sideloading is possible, but there’s more hoops to jump through than on Android. Plus an overall smaller amount of apps available to sideload.

Piracy depends on what you’re pirating. TV/Movie wise you’ll be fine, as well as ROMs for the few emulators iOS has (relative to android). I doubt you’ll have any luck with apps or mobile games.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

Wdym about the gifs? there should be nothing stopping you from sending those on any device.

I forward gif from channel that maybe are marked as NSFW, I know that also some content creator makes 2 channel on telegram because if they are marked as NSFW are not shown on ios anymore.

Pixel are really expensive and I read that the 7 pro gets really hot, and I don’t like it, while the 8 it’s a bit small after the s22+

Amongussussyballs100 ,

Pixels second hand are decently cheap from my experience

brickfrog ,

iOS is way too locked down. Granted, it depends on what you do and what you need, but since you’re asking in this community yeah… not the best choice.

Honestly just get a Android phone that’s just pure Android OS and nothing else, you don’t have to deal with the added junk that Samsung or whoever want to add on top of the OS. e.g. Google Pixel is quite excellent for this. And even still, if you end up wanting a different OS try installing GrapheneOS & see how it goes.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

I really want to jump on Pixel, because, again I hate how iOS is locked for everything. but I hate in the same way that G2 seems to overheat. I didn’t know grapheneOS this is interesting…

ssm ,
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There are other mobile OSs besides Android and iOS. That being said, iOS is one of the most locked-down restrictive platforms on the planet, and any “freedom” you have now can be taken away in a single update as soon as Apple gets an angry letter from Nintendo or the RIAA or whatever.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

This comment has definitely stopped me from wanting to switch to iOS, I can’t do it, if I don’t sail the high seas I don’t feel comfortable, I only spend my money where I have a grain of apparent freedom

elucubra ,

I have recently gotten an iPad, because my carrier had a banger of a deal (30% off on the 2024 Air, 48 months payment no interest) and my Huawei tablet was getting long in the tooth, so I jumped.

I have owned Android since the first Galaxy (no number), tablets since the first 7" Galaxy Tab.

I have gone through a few tablets, 3-4 Samsung, Lenovo, Huawei, a couple of no names, and I got the iPad, because for tablet things is still the reference. Best experience hands down.

Would I get an iPhone? NO WAY.

The iPad is an occasional use device. I use it for media consumption, some social media (not much of a user) and for graphics stuff with the Affinity suite, which BTW is reason enough to get an iPad if you do design/photo. It’s the device for when the laptop is too cumbersome, or overkill. It’s great to take notes, scribble, sketch. It’s awesome to edit pics on the go, which I do a surprising lot.

But… Apple limits what I can do. Too much.

Would I accept the constraints of iOS in my main electronic device? No. I can live with the iPad’s constraints because I have a super capable phone (a 4 year old Xiaomi which is truly fantastic), which I can tune as I wish, and because it’s use case is fairly well defined. I would not compromise with my phone. Simple things like changing the launcher, what goes on my lock screen like alternate number / emergency contact, or whatever clock I want, or the keyboard, or installing apps from wherever I want, or rooting and changing the ROM (not all phones) or not dealing with iCloud bullshit, or having proper Firefox with extensions, or torrenting, or any of the tweaks, modifications, or whatever that make my Android MINE.

Just search for “things that iphones can’t do”. You’ll have reading for an afternoon.

lemmyvore ,

Same here. iOS is so severely limited compared to Android it would be unusable to me as an phone.

As a tablet I use it 99% for streaming apps (music and series) that I put on while cooking or doing chores, 1% as a backup device for things like access to my bank app.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

THIS ^

Thank you so much, I didn’t think about Firefox, I’m a firefox user on every system I have, and I rely a lot on extensions. And I have my little server with sonarr, radarr, jellyfin and syncthing that is not so much, but it works and I had fun making it, I don’t want to lose the joy of do what I want with my phone.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Funny, I followed the same exact course. IPhone 2-5 then switched to Samsung after 5. I feel like they had a strong edge at that time and it was getting to be more and more of a PITA to jailbreak the iphones then. Pixel w graphene sounds intriguing but I can’t imagine it’s without headaches. If you are already sideloading things frequently though you might be the type to not mind some of the extra steps graphene will demand. I wouldn’t blame anyone for going with Apple right now - I don’t think the Android benefits are as strong as they used to be. At the same time, I don’t see any attractive reason to switch since for me it would mean more cost and dealing with the frustrations of an ecosystem switch without any clear reward in return.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

good answer thank you, the problem is that if I have to sideload every week it could be an issue for me. My concern is about youtube, because I watch so much vanced, reddit (that I still read but I’m writing here when I can), and the freedom to see nsfw. I love to try games and on the high seas I can find a lot of apk but I don’t know if its the same on iOS.

NicoCharrua ,
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Sideloading is quite bad. If you’re in the EU, I know you can use AltStore PAL, which costs money (~€1.50 a year), but all you’ll be getting is emulators, virtual machines, clipboard managers, and torrent clients.

There is another method for sideloading that works anywhere and lets you download modified apps, but it is very limited, tedious, and probably insecure. I’ve done it, it’s not worth it. Better to stay on android or use a browser with adblock or something.

I don’t think iOS has any specific limits to do with NSFW stuff, I’ve never heard of anything anyways.

Pirating games is probably not going to be worth it either since you have to sideload apps with the second method.

Other types of piracy are probably fine. If you have AltStore PAL you can get a torrent client and an emulator.

HatchetHaro ,
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iOS is probably the worst choice if you want to sideload apps. I would recommend sticking with Android and run your Samsung into the ground (maybe flash a custom ROM?) before getting something like a Fairphone.

Besides, what do you want to be “passionate” about in mobile phones? To me, they’re just tools for browsing the web, playing games, and staying in contact with friends and family while on the go; anything extra is superficial.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

Actually I love to testing modded app, rooting, changing roms, with samsung and oneplus I lost this because install a custom rom brings a lot of issue with banks, camera (damn camera2 api) and so on almost all modern phone is not convenient to go to a custom rom

PetroGuy ,

so you are choosing to go from having issues with those things to not being able to do it at all? I don’t understand. isn’t finding/solving the issues part of the testing you mention?

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Wait WHAT BLOCKS ON SIDELOADING for Samsung?? I’m not in the loop

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
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Normally it’s blocked by default which is pretty easy to get around (It’s just a setting toggle) but apparently Samsung added a second “safety” autoblocker to a recent update. (Which can also be turned off, so I’m not sure what all the fuss is about, aside from being a mild inconvenience.) androidauthority.com/enable-sideloading-one-ui-6-…

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Interesting. I don’t like this at all. Remember AT&T tried this with locked phones (or something like that I believe) where unknown sources was completely gone?

Rocketpoweredgorilla ,
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Ya it’s not a good look of things to come, but so far it’s not a huge issue (yet).

DoucheBagMcSwag , (edited )

Ah yes here is is

xdaforums.com/…/q-how-to-enable-unknown-sources-o…

And another one web.archive.org/…/lesson-not-learned-att-locks-do…

TheDuckPrince OP ,

Ya it’s not a good look of things to come, but so far it’s not a huge issue (yet).

Not a huge deal now, but…I don’t like this move…I don’t like it AT ALL…

lemmyvore ,

Normally I wouldn’t worry about it, Samsung just apes everything Google does. It’s part of their tug of war, basically Samsung is saying “if you ever pull a Huawei on me and disable every Google feature I’ll still have a copy of everything”.

Then again the US market is wierd so I don’t know. You can unlock Sony bootloaders everywhere else without a hitch but they cut a deal with US carriers so they won’t give unlock codes to US models. If Sony did deals like that so can Samsung.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Wait so when if I bought a Sony phone from then directly they wouldn’t fucking let me unlock it??

lemmyvore ,

Just to be clear, I’m talking about bootloader unlock (so you can root it and install custom ROMs) not carrier unlock. Normally Sony offer bootloader unlock codes on their website, but not for US models.

Carrier (network) lock and unlock is done by the carriers, manufacturer doesn’t care.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Oh bootloader was exactly what I was talking about. Would this be the case if I bought it directly?

lemmyvore ,

Yes, sorry. The unlock code is generated on the Sony website based on the IMEI of the first SIM slot. They can tell when it’s the IMEI of an US model and will refuse to give out the code.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Wow what assholes. Thanks for telling me as I was considering Sony as a replacement. Not anymore

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Wow what assholes. Thanks for telling me as I was considering Sony as a replacement. Not anymore

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Have you looked at Sony phones? I recently switched to the Pixel Fold from a 1 Mark IV. Sony phones are some of the best IMO.

elucubra ,

Sony excels at product, sucks at marketing. Their phones are truly fantastic.

TheDuckPrince OP ,

OMG I was a Sony user long time ago, Xperia X was so so beautiful!

Kraven_the_Hunter ,

Have you looked at Sony phones? I recently switched to the Pixel Fold from a 1 Mark IV. Sony phones are some of the best IMO.

averyminya ,

Came here to say, why is OP dealing with all these bloatware companies? Samsung is the Apple of Androids - decent hardware decent OS for those who like it, but ridiculously bogged down with prevention features.

I also have the Sony Xperia 1 IV and it’s been stellar. Lineage support if I don’t want the main Android, otherwise I’m pretty much free to do whatever I want on the phone. Plus I actually have a headphone jack still and an SD card slot.

daisyKutter ,
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  • For nsfw I use Quix but its shareware
  • For youtube I use Yattee
  • I don’t use reddit since some of us moved to lemmy
  • For gaming I use RetroArch
  • I don’t know how are things with sideloading
jeffreyosborne ,

read the megathread. rentry.co/megathread

Mobilism is a source for pirated ios apps, but it’s quite limited. I agree with the people mentioning pihole, but if you have to block ads on-device change the dns settings and/or use brave browser, which has the most adblock capabilities on iOS. Altstore is an alternative appstore (AltStore PAL in europe costs 1,50 a year in europe iirc) which has alot of cool apps and allows sideloading of ipa files on-device. I generally do recommend a pixel with grapheneOS, though I haven’t tried it myself yet.

Edit: Forgot to mention some of the downsides of AltStore, which includes needing to refresh the app once a week wirelessly or wired via a computer running Altserver

onlinepersona ,

iOS is probably the most locked down option you can pick. The EU even told Malus to open it up and Malus tried to fuck around. Now they might be in for some monetary justice, but that might take a year or two. Emulation was even only recently allowed, but only of old shit like Windows XP.

Android is still the most open, mainstream, phone OS out there. Get yourself a phone that can run a ROM like LineageOS, eOS, FairPhone or (if you want to give Google more money for surveillance) a Pixel to put GrapheneOS on it (easy process, you just need a browser and USB-C cable). That’ll get you more freedom to keep the phone alive longer and optionally become more private (if you can learn to live without Google).

To save money, you don’t even need to buy a new one. Get a refurbished phone. They are often 100-200€ cheaper than new phones and are sometimes as good as new.

iOS will lock you in, give you less options, and cost you loads to boot.

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2xsaiko ,
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  • I used to do side loading on iOS for a modded YouTube app (uYou+) but now I just use YouTube in the browser with AdGuard and Vinegar extensions. There’s ways to sideload and auto refresh the certificate that don’t need you to connect the phone to a computer which apparently work pretty well (I used AltStore which was pretty annoying because it doesn’t do that).
  • Usually I think you just have to enable NSFW on a computer/via the browser for it to work in the app. At least that how it is for Telegram iirc. Generally there shouldn’t be a problem accessing anything.
  • No idea, the only thing I play on my phone is Shattered Pixel Dungeon and I bought that
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