Rotating banners on /r/piracy

PrivateNoob , 3 months ago

Hello! The idea is phenomenal, although I feel that some or most of the genAI images look uncanny usually. I would honestly prefer human made arts, but those could be really costly, so that’s totally understandable. I’m impartial on this decision tho, do anything you like! ^^

Also we can lengthen the rotation process tho. A weekly or monthly change would be plenty sufficient, but it’s just a small preference.

lemann , 3 months ago

Very neat 👌🎉🎉

On a separate note, last one is probably a swordmaster with those 6 fingers lol

cupcakezealot , 3 months ago

damned six fingered man who killed inigo’s dad.

haui_lemmy , 3 months ago

Phenomenal work as always!

My suggestion is mood and topic based prompts derived from the current trajectory of the sub, for example:

Always compared to the day before

• more swearwords = stormy weather
• more anti corporate speak = more punky/anarchist pictures
• more friendly words = sunny weather
• more people joining = more ships in the background
• more posts = more loot/gold in the background

This is pretty complex but would give it a unique adaptive vibe instead of randomness alone.

Just an idea. Thanks for reading. :)

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Oh that’s a great idea! I’ll see if I can utilize this somehow. Feel free to share code as well ;)

haui_lemmy , 3 months ago

Thanks! Will try if I can come up with something.

gamermanh , 3 months ago

You might be able to adapt code that’s used to analyze text to form word clouds in order to pull that off

No idea where exactly to look but the concepts seem pretty much identical, just change the output

orca , 3 months ago

Hey, this is awesome! I might have to set this up to change the banner on my own instance daily. I’ve written a decent amount of python in my time so maybe I can take a look at the code too.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Fluxa Avataria is linked on the top. PRs or suggestions welcome.

TWeaK , 3 months ago

The fingers on that mug, which also doesn’t have a handle, lmao

Gutless2615 , 3 months ago

Do you feel like a clever boy now?

TWeaK , 3 months ago

Always.

knightly , 3 months ago

This is the kind of wasteful BS that will make me unsubscribe from a whole instance.

I’m here for piracy news, not bad art. Who is this supposed to appeal to?

spiderman , 3 months ago

it’s just banners dude, you won’t even see them unless you navigate to community.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

My brother in christ, you have a banner either way. What exactly is bothering you?

Kolli , 3 months ago

I understand the commenters point, even though I find it poorly conveyed. Some may find this a cool AI-generation project. Does it have anything to do with piracy, the point of this community? Barely if at all. So while it may be foolish and silly to berate the owner of the system, I think this is not the right place to publish about this project.

And I really don’t think people can be blamed either for bringing out this issue.

Please consider my message in good faith.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

It’s a change in something about /c/piracy. Where else would I publish this?

knightly , 3 months ago

The better question is why else you would publish this.

Why did the old banner need replacement? Why not just replace it instead of setting up a bot to waste resources on a painfully generic new banner every day? Why not make it a community effort rather than a soulless corporate one?

db0 OP , 3 months ago

There’s nothing corporate about what I do here.

As to why? The because I thought it would be a cool idea to have a new banner every day and because I like randomness, chaos and emergent order. Why do humans change things? Because we can. Because we find the idea cool. Because we like experimenting with creative tools and coming out with never seen before ideas and interactions.

FigMcLargeHuge , 3 months ago

You are fighting a losing battle and are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I am willing to bet the people complaining about things being changed wouldn’t have even noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out. LOL.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Oh totally. The irony is that the previous banner was GenAI as well.

Kolli , 3 months ago

wouldn’t have even noticed if you hadn’t pointed it out.

Yes and I think that would’ve been a good way to roll the change. There will be people who dislike the change or the concept (me included). Roll the change quietly or posting about it on project relevant communities. Then on the site displaying the banner have a note about the project leading to further reading about the project, such as posting similar to this.

This way there would be information for those interested, not only about the project, but the change that had occured too. And ideological opponists would be blissfully ignorant about the whole matter.

But this is just one way to do it. Any way works. Have a good day. 👍

Edit: unaunerisming the post

Draconic_NEO , 3 months ago

Yeah that person is very clearly a troll. They probably don’t even believe some of their arguments and are just fighting back for the sake of fighting back and gatekeeping.

Honestly this level of pearl clutching is hypocritical in a piracy community which is why I think a lot of them (not all of them) are likely trolls who probably feel this same way about piracy, even if they won’t admit it.

knightly , 3 months ago

There’s nothing corporate about what I do here.

You’re using an image generator that looks exactly like the one developed by employees of billionaire hedge fund manager Emad Mostaque.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

So? I also use a PC with components developed by AMD,Nvidia and half a dozen other corporatiosn. I live in a house developed by corporations. I eat food developed by corporations.

And unlike all those, Emad doesn’t get a dime from my random banners.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/170521ac-915d-4509-9b4e-52f81d2b3c4b.png

Same fucking energy

knightly , 3 months ago

So? I also use a PC with components developed by AMD,Nvidia and half a dozen other corporatiosn. I live in a house developed by corporations. I eat food developed by corporations.

And if you posted about those here in the piracy sub you’d get the same complaints.

People here who care about art don’t want to see it replaced with generative genericness any more than they want it locked up behind a corporate paywall. Media pirates should be giving artists exposure, distribution, and donations, not reasons to switch careers.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

And if you posted about those here in the piracy sub you’d get the same complaints.

I didn’t advertise Stable Diffusion. I posted about a cool new automation I developed. You’re really stretching credulity here…

People here who care about art don’t want to see it replaced with generative genericness any more than they want it locked up behind a corporate paywall. Media pirates should be giving artists exposure, distribution, and donations, not reasons to switch careers.

I wouldn’t and can’t pay artists to make banners for a random community. Ergo I’m not taking anything away. Likewise like someone who can’t pay for media, is not stealing money from the artists mouths like the corporate mouthpieces you’re parroting like a tool would argue.

knightly , 3 months ago

I didn’t advertise Stable Diffusion. I posted about a cool new automation I developed.

If it was just “cool new automation” we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

I wouldn’t and can’t pay artists to make banners for a random community.

You could have displayed someone’s already existing art and credited them with a link to their social profile, though.

Ergo I’m not taking anything away.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”

Likewise someone who can’t pay for media, is not stealing money from the artists mouths

Again, the marginal cost of distribution approaches zero, but the cost of production does not. Artists should be paid to do work, not for restricting access to work they have already done.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

You could have displayed someone’s already existing art and credited them with a link to their social profile, though.

No, because that’s boring and not creative.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”

Perfect! No comments.

knightly , 3 months ago

You could have displayed someone’s already existing art and credited them with a link to their social profile, though.

No, because that’s boring and not creative.

You do realize you’re stating that in defense of generic, machine-generated imagery, right?

db0 OP , 3 months ago

You do realize that what I find creative is not just the final art result?

knightly , 3 months ago

You don’t seem to have posted the source code, so the final result is all we have to judge.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/90783e98-6e98-45b4-aa53-a54617d66b57.png

knightly , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

I stand corrected.

Guess it’s time to put on the ol’ software criticism hat.

Edit: This is just BOINC but without the scientific justification. I love the idea of decentralized computing but building it to run one’s plagirism laundromats on other people’s computers is such a waste.

knightly , 3 months ago

I have problems with so-called “AI” image generators at every level. Economic, ecological, functional, artistic, and moral.

Do you want an essay or just the bullet points?

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Your personal feelings aside, this doesn’t practically affect you in any way from how it used to be until now.

knightly , 3 months ago

Practically, if a website I use implements features that I don’t want to see, then I am effected. I quit Facebook for similar reasons 15 years ago.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Facebook implements things that affect what you get to see and experience (more ads, less people you follow, propaganda etc) for their own profit and empowerements at the cost of the whole society. This just replaces one GenAI image with another for funzies. But sure, if that’s the hill you’re willing to die on, do what you have to do.

knightly , 3 months ago

Facebook implements things […] for their own profit and empowerements at the cost of the whole society.

The same could be said for the electricity you wasted because you didn’t want to make your own banner.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

You realize that making my own banner would waste order more electricity, right? The electricity expended to generate one new image is about as much as the amount you wasted writing these comments

knightly , 3 months ago

Electricity spent to provide humans with a comfortable working environment isn’t wasted. Electricity spent to deprive an artist of the opportunity to practice their craft absolutely is.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

My random banners don’t stop anyone from opportunities to practice their art. What kind of drugs are you on? Also, you realize you’re in the /c/piracy community, yes? Do you also go and complain about copyright violations?

Electricity spent to provide humans with a comfortable working environment isn’t wasted.

Your comments are anything but “a comfortable working environment”.

Anyway, my point is that your comment “waste” is below trivial. Just like my genAI images. My computer is far more wasteful in a single session of video gaming. Or are you railing against those too?

knightly , 3 months ago

My random banners don’t stop anyone from opportunities to practice their art.

Exactly, you never intended to commission an artist because you think so-called “AI art” is good enough to replace them.

Do you also go and complain about copyright violations?

Of course not, the marginal cost of duplicating an existing digital work is trivial. The cost of producing work is not, which is why freelance artists work on commission.

your comment “waste” is below trivial. Just like my genAI images.

If the images are so trivial then why spend so much effort defending them?

You clearly care about this, just not enough to pay an artist for custom work or even to copy something an artist already created.

My computer is far more wasteful in a single session of video gaming. Or are you railing against those too?

Again, of course not. You’re a person and not a machine designed to replace paid work with a generic plagirism laundromat.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Exactly, you never intended to commission an artist because you think so-called “AI art” is good enough to replace them.

You gotta be fucking kidding me…I didn’t commission an artist for an image per day A) because that would be insane and B) I’m poor and C) Because the point is being creative myself!

Of course not, the marginal cost of duplicating an existing digital work is trivial. The cost of producing work is not, which is why freelance artists work on commission.

I assure you, the cost of reproducing downloading a single mp3 greater than the cost to generate a single image.

If the images are so trivial then why spend so much effort defending them?

The…what? Read again The cost of creating such images is below trivial! Therefore the potential waste of such an action is not a concern.

You clearly care about this, just not enough to pay an artist for custom work or even to copy something an artist already created.

Yes, because read above.

Again, of course not. You’re a person and not a machine designed to replace paid work with a generic plagirism laundromat.

And as a person, my making the automation to generate these images gives me fulfilment like a video game. Are we done here?

knightly , 3 months ago

the point is being creative myself!

Then do that instead.

I assure you, the cost of reproducing downloading a single mp3 greater than the cost to generate a single image

The average image generator burns between 10 and 30 watt-hours per image. Downloading 4mb from a server costs about 0.000026 watt-hours. (Sources: …medium.com/the-hidden-cost-of-ai-images-how-gene… devsustainability.com/…/approaches-to-calculating… )

the potential waste of such an action is not a concern.

Sure seems like it is a concern since the energy usage of datacenters is expected to double in the next year and a half.

theverge.com/…/data-center-ai-crypto-bitcoin-mini…

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Then do that instead.

I did? It took me hours to design this automation (not to mention the months developing the AI Horde)

The average image generator burns between 10 and 30 watt-hours per image.

lol. I don’t know where you get your numbers buddy, but it takes me a 2-3 seconds per image on my PC. And my PC is already running because I have to answer to ridiculous arguments on lemmy…

Lol, even your own articles dunk on you

Efficient models, like Stable Diffusion Base, consume around 0.01–0.05 kWh per 1,000 image generations. That’s about 0.000014–0.000071 kWh per image.

Sure seems like it is a concern since the energy usage of datacenters is expected to double in the next year and a half.

So? I don’t use datacenters.

knightly , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

Then do that instead.

I did?

No, you told a computer to do it for you.

If you want to create art, then create art. Don’t pretend that automating a script is an artistic process when it’s barely even engineering.

I don’t know where you get your numbers buddy, but it takes me a 2-3 seconds per image on my PC.

To use your numbers, 2-3 seconds at a very conservative estimate of 400 watts is about 0.25 watt-hours, about 10,000 times more than the 0.000026Wh energy cost of a 4mb download.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

No, you told a computer to do it for you.

And the process of setting that up is creative?

If you want to create art, then create art. Don’t pretend that automating a script is an artistic process when it’s barely even engineering.

Hate to break it to you, but programming is creative plus I don’t like making visual art manually.

To use your numbers, 2-3 seconds at a conservative estimate of 800 watts is about half a watt-hour, roughly $0.08 on the average American electricity bill, and about 200,000 times more than the 0.0000026Wh energy cost of a 4mb download.

“A conservative estmate of 800 watts”? Where the fuck are you getting these number mate? My GPU at full power is not even half that.

knightly , 3 months ago

Hate to break it to you, but programming is creative

I do automation for a living, I’m well aware that computer engineering can be a creative process, but it is not an artistic one.

I don’t like making visual art manually.

I don’t like seeing visual art automated.

Where the fuck are you getting these number mate?

I don’t know what’s in your computer, but some high-end graphics cards can pull more than 300W at full load all on their own. 400W total power output seems a pretty conservative estimate to me.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

I do automation for a living, I’m well aware that computer engineering can be a creative process, but it is not an artistic one.

Great? I find the automation creative.

I don’t like seeing visual art automated.

I don’t care?

I don’t know what’s in your computer, but some high-end graphics cards can pull more than 300W at full load all on their own. 400W total power output seems a pretty conservative estimate to me.

Most high-end graphic cards actually use close to 100W when not in demanding workloads. Mine certainly does.

400W total power output seems a pretty conservative estimate to me.

You said double that. Most people’s PCs idle at 200-W300W as a total. And even if 400W was the total PC usage, as I said, my PC is already on.

knightly , 3 months ago

I don’t like seeing visual art automated.

I don’t care?

If you didn’t, then you wouldn’t be in this thread defending your creative choices. You could have ignored me like a person who doesn’t care would do.

Most high-end graphic cards actually use close to 100W when not in demanding workloads. Mine certainly does.

As per Tom’s Hardware, the average high-end card comes in somewhere north of 250W. But even if we half the total power estimate again we’re still talking about an eigth of a watt-hour, or 50,000 times more than a 4mb download, per image.

You said double that.

I revised my estimate while you were replying.

Most people’s PCs idle at 200-W300W as a total. And even if 400W was the total PC usage, as I said, my PC is already on.

My PC idles at about 75W, and tops out just shy of 600W with all cores, cards, and drives running.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

If you didn’t, then you wouldn’t be in this thread defending your creative choices. You could have ignored me like a person who doesn’t care would do.

I am autistic. I actually hate that my brain is forcing me to reply to this drivel.

My PC idles at about 75W, and tops out just shy of 600W with all cores, cards, and drives running.

Great, so a generated image would be done at 2-10 seconds at like 200W usage. Anyway, this is a stupid argument. Even if it’s not as an mp3, it’s like a movie, what-the-fuck-ever.

knightly , 3 months ago

I am autistic. I actually hate that my brain is forcing me to reply to this drivel.

I am also autistic, but I enjoy a good argument and will never pass up the chance to complain when people put generated images on my screen. There’s more real art out there in the world to see than could be seen in a lifetime, so why should anyone waste time with computer-generated approximations of art?

Anyway, this is a stupid argument. Even if it’s not as an mp3, it’s like a movie, what-the-fuck-ever.

We are comparing apples to oranges here, but the fact remains that serving existing content will always be cheaper than serving content one has to generate first.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

And generated content can be randomized and automated, which you can’t do with existing content, which is what I wanted to do

knightly , 3 months ago

Sure you can, you just need a sufficiently diverse database of images at which to point your random number generator. No generation necessary, just aggregate human artistic output.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

That’s orders of magnitude harder in a bad non automated than what I’m going now for worse results and more risk. It’s a frankly terrible idea

knightly , 3 months ago

Randomly generated content is usually a bad idea on public-facing websites. Generating and displaying it automatically means you only get to inspect the results after the fact, so you’re relying on the image generator to never produce something unacceptable.

Having a DB of prepared images means you can pick through and remove all the unacceptable ones before they have a chance to be displayed.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

The ai horde already takes care of any problematic stuff. This is all solved

melmi , 3 months ago

I can understand the concern with the ethics of AI art and plagiarism, but you’re painting with a broad brush when you say that computer engineering can’t be art.

Without considering AI, you can certainly make art through code. Math can be beautiful. Shaders in particular are a ripe avenue for programmatically generating art.

There are a lot of artists out there creating art through code, and there have been for significantly longer than the AI fad has been around. The act of creating the art is simply in writing the code, rather than in picking up a paintbrush. I doubt you accuse people who paint in Photoshop of “letting the computer paint for them”, even if they use filters or something like the bucket fill tool. That’s code creating art right there. But someone still had to input creativity, and writing code to create art that looks good requires creativity and effort and is absolutely art.

AI art has different problems with it, but “programming isn’t art” isn’t one of those reasons.

knightly , 3 months ago

An artist preparing a brush to paint with is not doing art, they’re doing engineering to make art tools.

They employ those art tools to make art, but the tools themselves are works of engineering, not art.

That isn’t to say that art tools cannot be art, such as source code that’s formatted like poetry or ASCII images, but that’s a very different sort of design work than the development of base functions.

melmi , 3 months ago

My analogy was off the mark a bit, you’re right. But for example, have you seen some of the stuff people have made on Shadertoy? Incredible art, made from pure shader code.

bilb , 3 months ago

Exactly, you never intended to commission an artist because you think so-called “AI art” is good enough to replace them.

Weird argument to make on a piracy sub, honestly. The existence of an AI generated image does not imply that a somewhere an artist lost a commission. Nobody was replaced. It’s not a choice between AI art and commissioned art, it’s a choice between AI generated images and nothing at all because that was the point of his project.

Whether we find it tasteful or interesting is another topic.

knightly , 3 months ago

It’s not a choice between AI art and commissioned art, it’s a choice between AI generated images and nothing at all because that was the point of his project.

That’s a false dichotomy. If there’s no budget to commission new art then ideally the space should have been used to promote artists via their existing work.

bilb , 3 months ago

“Instead of working on that project that you were enjoying working on in your spare time, why not do this completely different other thing?”

That’s not reasonable.

cupcakezealot , 3 months ago

I’m here for piracy news, not bad art. Who is this supposed to appeal to?

hi it’s me. i’m here for both. :)

brickfrog , 3 months ago

Keep in mind the instance itself hosts generative AI communities, it is even mentioned in the sidebar of lemmy.dbzer0.com

as well as the instance’s local communities list

lemmy.dbzer0.com/communities

Anyways this all seems like a non-issue IMO, most people don’t even see the community homepage and would hardly ever see the banner pic. And db0 isn’t talking about flooding /c/piracy with AI art posts, just updating the community banner… though this instance does have a local community !stable_diffusion_art if you’re interested in seeing AI art posts.

Halosheep , 3 months ago

Instance owner: does something they thought would be cool and was likely interesting to implement

Weird lemmy users: tHiS iS wAsTeFuL bS

You being butt hurt about something INCREDIBLY inconsequential like AI art isn’t going to make it go away.

knightly , 3 months ago

Nah, it’ll do that on it’s own when the so-called “AI” bubble pops.

UnRelatedBurner , 3 months ago

While this is very cool, and a nice idea. I have to vote aginst it. AI art is just so uncanny and soulless.

In my opinion it’d be way better to have human-drawn art as the banner. For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art. “Art” implies that it has some meaning, value, message, or a memory even. AI can make art tho, when you mastered it and use it the same as painter uses a brush. I don’t think a daily random gen in compatible with putting care into what you create. If we switch the banner every day with another auto generated picture, it’ll be just that; a cool picture. But if we maybe switch it up every year (for it to not be stale) with an art competition it’ll have love in it at least, with possibilty for all kind of valuables, such as refrences or a unique style.

You could get around this issue with an avatar. A mascot (of the community) if you will. After having the mascot fed to an AI it can generate it in any position doing anything with any background, allowing us to not waste the idea of another commenter (haui), who suggested that it should be dynamic, that it should change depending on what happened the previous day. It could be refreshed daily, it could be made dynamic, and it’ll have soul.

I can’t draw. But I think I speak for others when I say that I wouldn’t mind drawing a character for a community that I can thank thousands of dollars to.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

We had an AI banner for months. You could have offered these suggestion any time before now. Anyway, the idea of a reusing a recognisable mascot in the GenAI art isn’t bad

DarkNightoftheSoul , 3 months ago

I’ve got a similar opinion, but didn’t feel like expressing it before because my opinion wasn’t asked for before.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

This is an anarchist server. Direct action are the words.

DarkNightoftheSoul , 3 months ago

👉👈 but direct action is scary

Melatonin , 3 months ago

Listen buddy, your opinion is welcome here!

However, I disagree with you and I like what db0 did

UnRelatedBurner , 3 months ago

Well, I wasn’t active before now :p

just wanted to put my two cents out there

Stretch , 3 months ago

For starters AI generated “art” can’t really even be called art.

You called it art. Zer0 said images, and its just that.

I’m old enough to recall when people said electronica and sampling wasn’t music. Since then, we have Hip Hop, Daft Punk, Crystal Method, Deadmau5, and hundreds of others wasting their time with music and Grammy nominations and wins.

No reason to take such a strong stance against a daily banner that combines OP’s interests. It’s their instance, after all.

Generative imagery puts creativity in the hands of many more than are artistically or dexterously gifted enough to communicate artistically. It takes nothing away from the community, and if you prefer not to look at it, its as simple as averting your eyeballs a few degrees.

krimsonbun , 3 months ago

Generative imagery puts creativity in the hands of many more than are artistically or dexterously gifted enough to communicate artistically. It takes nothing away from the community, and if you prefer not to look at it, its as simple as averting your eyeballs a few degrees.

You’re acting as if making art is an ability you’re born with and you can’t make art if you weren’t gifted with it at birth. The beautiful thing about art is the skill and dedication put into the piece.

One of the main things that make humans human, is our creativity, why would we give that up?

Making art with electronics is very different to having “art” made by electronics.

XYZinferno , 3 months ago

But you’re not giving it up, since human-made art and AI generated images can both exist.

Sure, it could be said that AI generated images can oversaturate the internet, but a lot of sites that host art, both SFW and NSFW, have reacted by tagging AI art and allowing the user to filter them out.

There’s so many forms of art in the world and one lifetime isn’t enough to learn it all. Music, visual arts, cooking, writing, etc. I choose to focus on some art forms at the expense of others.

If the technology exists to make it easier to visually represent something on my mind and give me time to focus on my other pursuits, I’m all for it.

notfromhere , 3 months ago

Look at OP’s prompt text and tell me that is not a work of art. Seriously, the ingenuity of it baffles me.

krimsonbun , 3 months ago

you can tell there’s something off, it doesn’t look human. of course it’s not a “work” of “art” nobody worked on it and it is not artistic.

notfromhere , 3 months ago

There’s nothing off about the prompt? I’m not talking about the images.

UnRelatedBurner , 3 months ago

I’m not going to cut throats over banners, chill out. And also it’d seem I wasn’t clear with my points. I understand that AI can still produce art. My point was that if AI is used to make art it’s used the same way as any other tool, but randomly generating pictures is an edge case.

One could argue that this is just natural evolution. Before, when you made a nice picture (let’s say on a canvas) it was one-of-a-kind, and that made it more special, more art-y. But, if you’d have used AI instead, you could have gotten an infinite number pictures all with similar artistic values. However, I’d say that this isn’t true, because afaik sometimes what the machine gives back to you is very bad (by means of not achieving the goals of the artist), and you have to regenerate it. This means that you can’t call “all” AI generated images art even if it was made with care.

Compared to your music example, I agree. But, I believe you haven’t considered the fact that it is still one-of-a-kind. No matter the instrument (because the new electronic sounds are just that basically).

Picture the scenario where somebody (A nobody with no goals, motives, or deep thoughts) just press a couple of buttons and some toon starts playing. “It’s pleasing ig” is the only feeling you get from it. Or get someone, with passion and a dream, to use the same method, but instead of stopping at the first toon, they continue to improve it, to refine it, to redo it as many times as it takes for it to be perfect. Imo I’d consider scenario A’s result and B’s failed attempts to not be art, B’s result however is art.

Draconic_NEO , 3 months ago

For starters AI generated “art” can’t really >even be called art.

You called it art. Zer0 said images, and its just that.

I think I would argue that this immediate jump to “AI is NOT Art” that a lot of these commenters are making could be considered strawman arguments exactly for that reason. db0 and others have not and are not claiming that it is or isn’t art, this is just an announcement that we have an image generator to randomize banners and also sharing the code so those that want it can integrate it in their instance.

Melatonin , 3 months ago

db0, can I write prompts like that for the image generators on AI hoard? Would it select one of the random choices within the brackets to use like your banner does? I think that could be fun.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

Yes and yes. This is using the AI Horde already.

Rentlar , 3 months ago

I really don’t have a say as a user on another server, but I’d think you should do what you want because a pirate is free.

Plaster AI generated images everywhere on the background.

Change the webui font to Comic Sans except set the letter h as Times New Roman.

Make everything pink, yellow and bright green so that copyright trolls manually viewing the site can’t see anything without being attacked by awful colours.

Do what your heart desires, db0. Embrace chaos, or don’t.

Not sure why people are surprised about AI images. You and this server have been using them for a while now. And many of your tools (e.g. Overseer) imo are great uses of AI.

XYZinferno , 3 months ago

They turned out pretty nice! My only suggestion isn’t really AI related, but regarding the logo over it

The white border helps the black logo stand out, though maybe having an additional drop shadow could help it pop out a bit more, though that might be unnecessary. Just something I like to do when Photoshopping, but it’s purely personal preference! It certainly looks good, even without it.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

My gimp skills are almost non existent. But I can sent you the files and see of you can improve them

XYZinferno , 3 months ago

Of course! I can help try my hand at it

hazeebabee , 3 months ago

Yo db dont let these haters get you down. I think it looks like a really cool project and love the idea of a shifting banner than anyone can contribute prompts to. I also love the idea of backgroud details being influenced by various metrics of the community.

AI is a tool (just like photoshop, electric lawn mowers, and combustion engines). Anyone who thinks its replacing artists are really underestimating the editing needed to produce something good from AI generators. And this is comming from a writer who loves how much AI has helped with various parts of the process.

hatedbad , 3 months ago

AI is a tool that is fundamentally based on the concept of theft and plagiarism. The LLM training data comes from artists and creators that did not consent to their work being plagiarized by a hallucinating machine.

Melatonin , 3 months ago

Man, I love a person on u/piracy arguing we can’t do something because it’s theft and plagiarism.

Keelhauling is too good for them.

hatedbad , 3 months ago

yeah silly me for supporting artists with my money but also downloading drm-free copies of things so I can actually exercise a semblance of ownership. but sure, keelhaul me so you can keep your sense of smug superiority.

Melatonin , 3 months ago

But you’re not allowed to. You’re STEALING, and you should ask, “Am I the baddie?”

hazeebabee , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

I see where youre comming from & also think its important to support artists I like, and I do. I think both AI and artists can coexist & serve different purposes.

Something like this, using AI for a banner, is using a tool for people to create something they couldnt/wouldnt before. It doesnt mean I’m not going to buy a cool print or painting from an artist I like.

& I think its cool to have something that aggregates information and makes it accesible and easy to work with for the masses. Its messed up that it is currently controlled by corporate interests, but there are also people working on FOSS ai. Its this kind of snapshot of humanity in its current state, that I think goes beyond any particular artist/writer/person.

I get being worried about it taking jobs, but I think new ones will spring up to take their place.

(Or really optimistically maybe well see some sort of radical change that will make the concept of ‘earning a living’ obsolete, like UBI or something)

Edited to add: as a writer, people who buy my writing wouldnt just use ai to replace me. If anything it can supplement my work by making it easier for fans to make fanart & help build hype around the universe and characters that I created.

far_university1990 , 3 months ago

In germany we have „bürgergeld“: state pay you living minimum (include food and rent) when you do not have job or cannot find one (it more complicated, this simplified). Also we have minimum wage roughly above living minimum.

Not exactly UBI, but i think close enough.

hazeebabee , 3 months ago

Yeah! Thats definetly a step in the right direction. Programs like that will help ease the transition towards a new system as technology continues advancing.

Now we just need more countries/people to jump on board lol

ToyDork , 3 months ago

Fact is, art is SO hard that I am in my 30s, broke and have no employable skills other than research, social skills (barely, blame Autism for ruining it for me) and creative ability.

I earned, like, $15 to $20 CAD from publishing a book of short stories on Amazon over 2 years. Before you ask why, I am not excluding quality as a possibility but for the most part it’s because nobody is into optimistic post-singularity sci-fi anymore and I refuse to rely on anything but word of mouth for advertisement because screw the advertocracy.

My point is, if people pirate Cody Gibling’s works, I’d rather they do so because I only want enough money to be comfortable and anything else I get would be aimed at more serious pursuits like activism. You know what I pirate? Anything that they make too hard to access in the first place. Like dead MMOs or completed movies that were cancelled to get the studio a free tax break.

Templa , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

I wouldn’t expect most of people here to be reasonable. Some people just piracy for the sake of doing it and just take advantage of the ownership argument.

ToyDork , 3 months ago

So is art itself. I might not name things the same as my inspirations or create anything identical, but I haven’t written a single thing that wasn’t based on something else.

I don’t want the AI being trained on my work either, but that’s because I oppose “automated mass slavery”

“Oh, you don’t want to be a slave in return for only the most basic of food and shelter? Sure, see if there are any jobs out there anymore, now that robots can do all of it for rich arrogant god complex sufferers like me. Lets lay the new ground rules… You’re DISPOSABLE to me. Beg and worship or die.” - A designated slaveowner’s thought process, 2084.

Stop thinking like a capitalist and start thinking like you’re an angry drunk if you really believe LLM should be outlawed. Envy is not a flattering look on anyone, you included. At least protests and riots get shit done, even if that means sacrificing a lifestyle you’re clearly only enjoying thanks to being self-centered in your artistic pursuits.

communism , 3 months ago

You are in a piracy community

Emmy , 3 months ago

My vote is no. While piracy is used to store and preserve media, at least for me. This directly deprives artists, something I can’t support.

Ai in all its generative forms is bad for everyone and I do not support it or your use of it.

Melatonin , 3 months ago

Artists are deprived residuals because of your “preservation” piracy. Stop splitting hairs.

In for a penny, in for a pound. They’re pirates. We’re pirates.

Emmy , 3 months ago

Lol why not start just disobeying all laws? I’ll get back you when you start murdering etc. In for a penny in for a pound.

Don’t be dumb. You might think it’s splitting hairs, but where we choose to draw the line has always been important.

Melatonin , 3 months ago

You’re literally talking about copyright infringement in both cases. It’s a direct analogy.

How you go from “You pirate movies” to “…SO I GUESS YOU’RE IN FAVOR OF MURDER,” is a strange trail.

We disagree. That’s fine. You’re not convinced by me. Many aren’t.

Draconic_NEO , 3 months ago

I think this person is very clearly a troll with nothing better to do.

Templa , 3 months ago

Just to make sure I understood things on my research correctly, AI Horde utilizes Stable Diffusion which is already trained with LAION dataset, is that correct?

I am just an user and not even part of your instance, but I think it would feel nicer to have a member of the community creating the images and the commissions being paid through community funds but well, since this is a piracy community this might not be a shared sentiment.

db0 OP , 3 months ago (edited 3 months ago)

Lol we’re not getting enough donations to even pay the server costs

Templa , 3 months ago

This is really unfortunate considering how popular the community is. I honestly assumed your instance was doing fine with donations, so maybe a lot of people might do it as well. Having the donation goal on the side bar could help, maybe? This community has helped me and my spouse a lot so we will be definitely be donating in the next few days.

db0 OP , 3 months ago

I always orient my services towards the people who have the least disposable income. It’s not surprising that I don’t get a ton of donations :-/ Servers oriented towards techbros make thousands a month with less users >_<

DreamyRin , 3 months ago

I don’t talk here but I am a user and this community has helped me a whole hell of a lot. I’ll see if I can get a donation heading your way when I next get paid! thanks for your hard work.

DadeMurphy , 3 months ago

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ladfrombrad , 3 months ago

How about I just downvote you for harassing someone and making off topic comments to the thread?

HBK , 3 months ago

Also wanted to drop a comment that this is awesome and a fantastic use of AI!

zaknenou , 3 months ago

Be Weird, Download a Car, Generate Art, Screw Copyrights

Captain be taking his motto onto other levels