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Do you have a separate 4k library?

A new TV offers the possibility to watch 4k movies to me. I am thinking about upgrading my library but I’m not sure if I want to replace my 1080 collection. I’ve read that some use a separate 4k library.

Do you? How do you deal with it? I mostly add movies with trakt and radarr automatically. Do you use separate accounts?

domi ,
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Yes, I run two instances of Radarr and Sonarr. One caps out at 1080p, the other one only allows 2160p.

Jellyfin just has two separate libraries for them.

I’m mostly doing this to prevent unecessary transcoding away from home where streaming 4k HDR is unlikely. At some point I will merge them but bandwidth for 4k streaming is not there yet and proper HDR tone mapping is still rare.

ccdfa ,

Can I ask why your Jellyfin has two libraries for them? Why not set the naming scheme in your 4K library to do “movie title (year) - 4K.mkv” ? Then Jellyfin recognizes the two quality versions and gives you a version selector for each film that has more than one version

domi ,
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Yes, I don’t want external users to accidentally play the 4k version so I only give access to people who I know can handle it.

wccrawford ,

If you’re only watching on 1 TV, I don’t think there’s any reason to keep them a separate 4k library. And if your server can handle transcoding easily, there’s still not much reason.

If you have an often-used second (or third, etc) TV with lower resolution and your server doesn’t handle transcoding well, then it’s probably worth keeping them separate.

I’ve also started to disagree with the guide about file size. I don’t think I can tell the difference, and I’m not trying to preserve media for the future. So long as the video has the features I want, I think just about any file size is fine.

DeltaTangoLima ,
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If you’re only watching on 1 TV, I don’t think there’s any reason to keep them a separate 4k library

The only problem is that Radarr doesn’t support multiple copies/editions. You need to run two Radarr instances.

Blackmist ,

Why wouldn’t you just have the 4k versions then? It’s not like 1080p screens are making a comeback.

DeltaTangoLima ,
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I have kids that like to stream on their own devices, and they’re not all 4K. Saves my server from overworking itself by not having to transcode.

Blackmist ,

Ah, I tend to avoid transcoding. Browsers are pretty shit for codec support.

DeltaTangoLima ,
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Yep, 100% the same. Hate it. It’s no biggie for me, though - I’m really the only one who wants 4K content, and I only want it for the stuff that really matters to me.

cali_ash ,

I keep both but in the same library.

Reverendender ,

I do as well. Of course most of my older stuff is in 1080p. I always download 4K now whenever it’s available. I use Plex, and Plex allows me to choose which stream quality I want if I have multiple files to choose from. There is an enormous visual difference.

Iamdanno ,

Me too. I use Emby to watch, and if there are multiple versions, I can select which I want to watch.

kylian0087 ,

Personally i get the highest quality i can. Often 4K REMUX . If a device is not capable of showing 4K i just transcode the stream at the server.

thorbot ,

Yep. My Plex server can’t handle multiple 4K streams and neither can my ISPs bandwidth. So it’s 4K download simply for stuff we watch at home and the rest of Plex content is 1080p

roofuskit ,

I think people who have separate libraries don’t have access to hardware transcoding, or prefer not to use it. That’s the only reason I can see for it. My library is fully mixed, if a connection or device cannot support the resolution or codec, my server will transcode it in real time. Is transcoding the best quality? No, but if it’s transcoding because a device can’t handle higher quality I’m unlikely to notice the difference between a 1080p file and a live transcode of a 2160p file. We don’t have a ton of TVs in the house and the main event TV is high enough quality that I’m now downloading most things in UHD.

This is the perspective of someone with a dedicated 24/7 media server with plenty of storage that is easily expanded.

thorbot ,

Or we don’t have the upload pipe for it. Or both.

roofuskit ,

Most people would be streaming to another TV in their home.

thorbot ,

The OP and I are talking about hosting video for people outside our homes. I have many friends and family who use my Plex server all over the world

roofuskit ,

OP doesn’t say anything about that.

thorbot ,

I meant the OP of the comment I’m referring to, wrong terminology I guess

roofuskit ,

You and I are the only two people in this thread, that’s why I was confused.

thorbot ,

Clearly I am confused too

roofuskit ,

Well I guess we’re in good company then. lol

thorbot ,

Indeed

stratosfear ,

I tried but it was way too much of a pain, especially when Plex does transcode just fine (w/ Intel 11th gen QSV). Except for DV of course, so I have to make sure I get the HDR version.

pelletbucket ,

when 4K is done well I can’t tell the difference from 1080p. but it’s usually not compressed well, at least in my experience, the pixel density just makes the image dimmer

Oderus ,

1 library and movies are all 4K if newer than 2010. Otherwise it’s 1080p just like TV series.

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