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linearchaos ,
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They’re all double-edged swords.

Concentration, hyperfocus, and fixation is often as detrimental as it is useful.

But to answer your question how about compartmentalization? I can focus on the important things but also bucket and sort them, prioritize them, and deal with them in order.

dope OP ,

Ya but what’s something other than concentration that I can do with my attention. A different superpower. That’s what I’m asking.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Pretty much anything that one with sufficient aptitude studies and practices enough.

  • playing instruments
  • blowing glass
  • aerobic sports like jogging or bicycling

I'd say driving but that's an odd kind of attention... once you get into it it's a very relaxed awareness, which I suppose counts.

dope OP ,

Ya but whats an attention-related superpower OTHER than concentration (and its associated powers)?

One guy here was talking about getting high and laying on his hammock.

And the Buddhists have an “alternative to concentration” type meditation technique.

squiblet ,
@squiblet@kbin.social avatar

Sex.

PlexSheep ,
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Sometimes, breaking the Alltag (everyday life) can lead to what I call “spark of inspiration”. It’s hard to describe, but it’s when you suddenly think diffrently about things, come up with especially new and interesting, maybe also stupid new ideas.

dope OP ,

Like looking up from your phone to notice the clouds.

Smokeydope ,
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I think paying attention to your experience in the moment is a kind of superpower. So many people are wound up in their own minds constantly focused on their life dramas and current problems and what they are anxious about and all that. Learning to get out of your own head, stop the never ending flow of thoughts and impulses, and appreciate the beauty right in front of you. Not zoning out, learning to silence your mind while paying attention to the world through your senses.

Most days if weather permits around the last hour or two before sundown I will swing in my hammock, smoke some pot, and bask in the sunlight. During that time I feel a real medatative sense of peace. It does wonders for my mental health.

dope OP ,

So you are getting silence, but you are doing it without concentrating.

Well this is exactly the kind of alternative superpower that I’m looking for in my OP question.

Concentration brings silence (and clarity etc), but it also brings some other stuff.

You are getting the silence, but without that other stuff. That’s a big deal.

Drunemeton ,
@Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

Listening. Not “paying attention” but actually listening.

Seraph ,
@Seraph@kbin.social avatar

Truly an undervalued skill.

I've been trying to be better and I'm catching myself when I start to tune out but it's hard. But it's an incredible way to show appreciation to those around you when to them it seems no one wants to listen. It helps me stay present.

dope OP ,

A kind of clarity. There would be other clarities too. Clear seeing, thinking, smelling…

RedEyeFlightControl ,
@RedEyeFlightControl@lemmy.world avatar

My coping mechanism to deal with untreated ADHD was to develop my working memory, so I have very good memory. It is like a superpower IMO. I remember lots of things like they were yesterday, that many others have simply forgotten.

Because of ADHD I can get in “the zone” and focus solely on something for hours, lost in time. I vape a lot of weed to quiet my mind down to a reasonable level.

520 ,

How did you develop your working memory? Mine's a bit shit, so I coukd use some advice here

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Sounds like they self medicated, which is not a bad thing if the outcome is positive.

520 ,

Possibly, but I've heard that there are exercises you can do that also help.

dope OP ,

Like meditation?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Ah yes, the thing that requires focus and attention which people with an attention deficit disorder have in spades!

dope OP ,

Yes, one might say that the ADHDers (and the autists, spergs and other similar neurodiverse) have a definite advantage here.

520 ,

Meditation is something that takes practice even for NTs. It actually isn't the worst idea to pick up for ADHDers

dope OP ,

His point is that people with ADHD can be especially good at meditation.

You need to address his actual point.

520 ,

Ah yes, the thing that requires focus and attention which people with an attention deficit disorder have in spades!

He's being sarcastic. Read the comment again.

Hint: people with ADD do not have focus and attention in spades

dope OP ,

But what about hyperfocus?

520 ,

The problem with hyperfocus is that it isn't really something that one chooses, rather it happens with things that give a dopamine hit. Something that meditation doesn't really do.

dope OP ,

That is arguable. Depending on the person the control can vary. And with practice (which is what meditation is all about) the control can improve. And meditation (one form anyway) is all about cultivating depth and control. So these people might definitely have a rare and advantageous degree of experience, with the depths at least. So yes, hand and glove.

But that much is either ambiguous or obvious. So wtfe. I swear you people fetishize this shit and its associated victimhood. I blame society.

520 ,

Bruh, you want to talk about a rare set of circumstances, then say im fetishising victimhood when I bring you back down to earth?

As someone with ASD, fuck off with that shit. I hear enough ignorant shit from people like you about my own condition. I seriously doubt the ADHD crowd wants to hear your crap any more than I do.

dope OP ,

do you crave powerlessness?

520 ,

No, but I know how lucky I have it. There are many people with my condition that can never even live an independent life. That cannot deal with even moderate noise. That literally cannot focus. People with ASD, ADD and ADHD are not all Sheldon Coopers.

So I say again: fuck off with that bullshit.

InquisitiveApathy ,

I blocked OP so I can’t see if they’re still on the same tirade as earlier with fetishizing fixations. Do yourself a favor and just disengage. I’m pretty sure they are a literal child.

520 ,

I think you've got the right idea on this one (and yes, they very much were making hyperfocus sound like a fucking X-Men power, only to ask if I craved powerlessness when I challenged that notion)

InquisitiveApathy ,

Yeah. For fun I checked from another account and they edited out a lot of their inflammatory remarks that were downvotes to make themselves appear more reasonable too.

I get enough of this in my daily life and don’t need to be lectured by a child who thinks that all great human accomplishments happened because someone paid attention really hard for 6 hours straight.

520 ,

I empathize. Shit's hard enough without having to deal with people judging you by their own stupidly inaccurate preconceptions.

InquisitiveApathy ,

For real. Either way I appreciate you fighting the good fight even if it’s a futile effort!

520 ,

I'm hoping someone learned something, even if it wasn't the guy I responded to

OrderedChaos ,

I think you’re doing what I found I was doing a little while ago. Concentration is the ability to bring yourself back to what you ultimately want to do. Absorption is the exclusion of all else. I think you want absorption and your concentration is likely fantastic. Most people concentrate really well and don’t realize it.

dope OP , (edited )

What other attention-associated powers can you think of?

“Editic memory” just occurred to me. And perfect pitch.

Nemo ,

One actual attention superpower is dichotocity, the ability to hear two different things at the same time, eg, two different tunes playing on a two-channel headset, and listen to / understand / remember them both. It’s not terribly uncommon, and a lot of successful musicians have it.

But I’m with @NocturnalMorning, fetishizing ADHD or other neurodivergences is pretty gross.

theKalash ,

It was @NocturnalMorning that first made this topic about mental illness, OP was literally just talking about people that can concentrate well.

dope OP ,

Woah! I never heard of that one. That’s amazing.

NocturnalMorning ,

My hyperfocus is not a super power at all. It’s detrimental to my relationship, and basically everything else in my life. Don’t fetishize adhd like it’s behavior to strive for.

dope OP ,

But you left out the rest of the story.

Hyperfocus allows you to immerse yourself to a profound degree.

To observe your subject with surpassing clarity. To control it deeply. To see what others cannot see. To create what others cannot create. To solve the hardest riddles.

We owe much of our great art, science and technology to it.

If that isn’t a superpower then I don’t know what is.

Maybe you just lack commitment.

rikudou ,

Dude, just read what you wrote again, slowly. Telling people with an illness that maybe they just lack commitment is a very shitty behaviour.

There’s no rest of the story, most people agree that it’s a huge disadvantage in life. And most importantly, it’s their story, not yours, so don’t pretend like you have the right to tell others what their life is like.

dope OP ,

And yet it’s true about all the advantages that I listed. You seem to want to avoid that particular very important elephant. Hmm.

Are you hyperfocusing on the negative?

Also, these are arguable points and quite beside the point of my OP question. Address that if you can.

InquisitiveApathy ,

All of your points only have any validity if you could control what you actually hyperfocus on, which you cannot. It’s not something that you get to pick and choose what to use it on or turn it on and off at will.

You really don’t understand what hyperfocus is from your remarks.

dope OP ,

You clearly fail to sympathize with the suffering of “normies”. Bound in a web of illusion. Never seeing clearly. I am shocked and appalled. :)

Also, some can control it. The power of hyperfocus is not exclusive to ADHD. Consider the autist, the sperg, the concentration meditation enthusiast (and a thousand unclassified shapes).

The world is large and you are small. Think on that the next time you feel tempted to wallow in outrage.

rikudou ,

Stop fetishizing illnesses. It’s not healthy.

PlasterAnalyst ,

It's called a manic episode.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

ADHD ends with 'disorder' which includes not being able to control or commit to things by choice. If someone can focus really well on something they commit to, then it isn't a disorder.

Witchfire ,
@Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

Man I feel you because same. I can hyperfocus on one task for 4 hours and become masterful at it, but I can’t remember to put away the thing that’s been sitting out for a week

dope OP ,

In the OP I asked for something other than concentrating. But all the replies so far refer to the fruits of concentration.

Like talking about sticking out your index finger, and then talking about all the amazing things that you can poke with it (and yes the horrors of fingercramp etc).

But what else can I do with my hand?

snooggums ,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

Masturbate!

bionicjoey ,

Being neurodivergent definitely can have benefits as well as drawbacks. My ADHD and Autism make me unbelievably productive as long as I am interested/fixated with the thing I am working on. That can be very valuable both for school and for a career. But of course they have huge drawbacks in other areas of life. You gotta take the good with the bad.

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