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Honest question: what was Hamas' long-game with respect to kidnapping Israelis? Did they think Israel would just negotiate rather than retaliate?

It just seems crazy to me given the power imbalance. A cynical part of me suspects that things are playing out exactly as some evil strategists hoped they would, which, given all the children dying, is super-depressing.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

orcrist ,

As always, motives vary heavily. I think many people have raised great points, and no doubt many of them are accurate enough.

It’s the same for Israel, too, right? I would imagine a two state solution is the only reasonable exit strategy, and Israel could make that happen overnight, but they haven’t. Why? Again, motives vary heavily.

corgi ,

Israel proposed/accepted/was in favor of two state solution multiple times throughout history. It was Palestinians who rejected it.

BrerChicken ,

I’m sorry but this is simply not correct. Some people in the Israeli government in the past have agreed to a 2-state solution, but extremist Israelis kept revolting. Yitzhak Rabim was literally assassinated by an extremist Israeli for signing and supporting the Oslo accords.

Most Israelis and Arabs recognize the need for a 2 state solution, but the Israeli government is not on board right now. And whoever makes any kind of moves in that direction gets pushed out pretty quickly.

corgi ,

It’s not right now, that’s true. Both sides are moving more extreme and away from a peaceful solution. But historically Arabs were far less open to the idea of two state solution. Starting with the partition plan of 1947.

gmtom ,

Citation needed

corgi ,

Wikipedia has pretty detailed account of Israel Palestine conflict including all the sources

Diplomjodler ,

Hamas simply wants as many civilian casualties as possible. Then they’ll blame Israel and unfortunately a lot of people will buy into that, see the latest idiocy by Fridays for Future.

bradorsomething ,

Since Iran is standing in the background, we have no idea how many Shahed drones are standing by when they come in.

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