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the_dopamine_fiend ,
@the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world avatar

The just-world hypothesis plays a big part.

jungekatz OP ,

Basically karma ? So do they believe that their actions will reap them benefits ? While they want to discrimiate people on basis of race and sexuality ?

the_dopamine_fiend ,
@the_dopamine_fiend@lemmy.world avatar

There’s an authoritarian theme to it all. They believe their god to be all-powerful and all-just. Therefore, that god must reward good actions and punish bad ones. The reward that our global society seems to run the most on is money. Therefore, any actions that gain you a lot of money must be good actions, thereby justifying the means of capitalism.

Prosperity theology, they call it.

poplargrove ,

Here’s a satirical passage from Terry Prachett’s Small Gods that I absolutely love:

There were all sorts of ways to petition the Great God, but they depended largely on how much you could afford, which was right and proper and exactly how things should be. After all, those who had achieved success in the world clearly had done it with the approval of the Great God, because it was impossible to believe that they had managed it with His disapproval. In the same way, the Quisition could act without possibility of flaw. Suspicion was proof. How could it be anything else? The Great God would not have seen fit to put the suspicion in the minds of His exquisitors unless it was right that it should be there. Life could be very simple, if you believed in the Great God Om. And sometimes quite short, too.

frankPodmore ,
@frankPodmore@slrpnk.net avatar

Because conservatism is more important to them than religion, essentially.

jungekatz OP ,

Does not explain why do they support capitalistic policies , and this is not just in the US but other countries too!

swallowyourmind ,

It does.

(You can say the same about existing socialist democratic policies, too.)

It’s just indoctrination.

People believe what they are taught, and relatively few questions anything seriously.

The majority of people continue to believe the religion they were raised in.

The majority of people believe in the economic system they were raised in.

The majority of the world’s countries use mixes of capitalist & socialist policies (ie free-market economies with social safety net programs).

So most people support capitalist free-market systems, and would say they are pro-capitalism.

They also don’t want you to cut their retirement government program levels.

And though most won’t claim to support socialism, they love firefighters or libraries or roads, and they can’t tell there’s no difference. Because they aren’t taught to question.

And most don’t want to replace their existing systems with completely different systems. They just want them to provide better tesults and be less costly.

Religion is most effective at converting those more inclined to believe propaganda & appeals to authority.

So these dichotomies are even worse & more prevalent for the religious.

Those people breed children of mostly similar sentiment. If raised capitalist, those religious children won’t question the obvious conflict. Their authorities tell them it’s ok.

Their authorities may even modify the religion to fit the mold (ie Prosperity Gospel).

The religious authorities who suggest questioning existing systems receive pushback from followers and the system itself when they encourage critical thinking regarding the conflicts of capitalism and religion.

Examples include Martin Luther King Jr & the current Pope, both of whom were not well received with their criticisms of capitalism.

So again, it is just indoctrination with a sprinkling of ignorance.

SpunkyBarnes ,

In a term? Dominion mentality. Add a little master/servant hierarchy, a pinch of patriarchy and stir well.

RecursiveParadox ,
@RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world avatar

…with a heavy does of the Property Gospel to keep the plebs in line.

BumpingFuglies ,

Fox News. Televangelists. Trump.

Religion can be a very positive tool to bring communities together and support one another, but capitalism means exploitation, and nothing’s easier to exploit than blind faith.

jungekatz OP ,

I wonder why would a person keep a rich persons interest over their own ? Free or affordable healthcare and college would be such a great help , and while the planet can support food and housing for all , many are deliberately kept hungry and homeless and that is rooted in corporate greed most of the times . Gulliblity at another level!

007v2 ,

The guise that they will someday be the one with the boot, they don’t wanna miss their chance be be the very boot they lick. Propaganda is a powerful tool.

jungekatz OP ,

I mean I know people who think that elon is making them rich coz their tesla shares jumped, and at the same time they dont want college to be affordable because they paid for it in whole ( tho these ppl are mostly boomers and older gen)

dmonzel ,
@dmonzel@lemmy.world avatar

I wonder why would a person keep a rich persons interest over their own ?

There’s no such thing as a poor Republican voter, just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire.

jungekatz OP ,

Omg 😂😂😅

infectoid ,
@infectoid@lemmy.world avatar

Temporarily embarrassed billionaires now.

gramathy ,

They get told the current hierarchy is gods will and they’re not allowed to subvert that

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

While I 100% agree with you, I think you listed the symptoms rather than the root cause. Religious people have been supporting the Republican party well… religiously since as long as I can remember, well before Trump and Fox News.

I think it’s something that the Republican party has specifically built their messaging around and then those things have grown out of it as a result. Someone posted a good article the other day about how politicians supporting segregation were able to manufacture a wedge issue (abortion) in the 70s to capture the religious vote, who didn’t see it as a religious issue until they were basically told it was.

krayj , (edited )

Religion has been sucking the teet of conservative politics for a LOT longer than Fox News, Televangelist, and Trump have been around.

It goes far deeper and is way more fundamental than those things.

BumpingFuglies ,

I agree completely, but on the surface, those are the three biggest modern contributors.

A lot of people’s “sincerely held” beliefs are only skin-deep, so surface-level agitators and misinformation peddlers do have a lot of power in our society. If they ceased to exist, I suspect a lot of the hatred and vitriol their followers spew would cease, as well - assuming an equally-evil replacement didn’t immediately rise.

A lot of people are stuck in their stale echo chambers, and just getting a breath of fresh air could do them wonders.

dandroid ,

I agree with the other two. But I think it’s disingenuous to say Trump, because this behavior has existed since long before Trump was relevant in politics.

key ,

It also existed since long before Fox News and even Televangelists

BumpingFuglies ,

True. He’s more a symptom than a cause. He certainly isn’t helping.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Trump is a symptom, not a cause.

BumpingFuglies ,

He’s a bit of both, I’d say.

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