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theothersparrow ,
@theothersparrow@lemmy.one avatar

Because we’re emotional creatures first, we default to what’s familiar or comfortable. Logic/critical thinking take sustained practice and a lot of effort. There’s a study that suggests that many of our conscious choices are simply post-hoc rationalizations for decisions made in the unconscious.

I absolutely no longer trust anyone that insists they’re naturally and perfectly logical, they are unquestionably hiding some fixation or personal opinion which–if challenged–will make them unravel in the worst fashion.

AnalogyAddict ,

Agree. Every single “logical” person I’ve met has had no more logic than anyone else, just incredibly low EQ.

Hazdaz ,

There was a study about sometihng simiilar a while back. It was posted on Reddit, so if that site hasn’t imploded yet, you might be able to find it. I don’t remember the whole thing, but it said a lot of people rather double-down on their already accepted beliefs than open themselves up to new results. It wasn’t everyone, of course and it wasn’t for all topics either. Maybe someone can go find that study and post it here for OP.

asparagus9001 ,

Be honest, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much does this question have to do with your constant posting about how the maaaaan, maaaaan, is holding down all your crypto “investments” and they’re due to go to the moon any day now as soon as the cabal of lizard people who run the world is eradicated?

theothersparrow ,
@theothersparrow@lemmy.one avatar

Damn, I wish I’d noticed this bit of context before responding.

totallynotarobot ,

You just can’t handle our reptilian overlords smh

Nonameuser678 ,
@Nonameuser678@aussie.zone avatar

I think we underestimate how much normalisation is a survival mechanism. Personally I struggled to acknowledge the ‘truth’ about my traumatic childhood but I can see now that I did this because it was easier to get through life.

Raphael ,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

It’s called liberal propaganda.

GiddyGap ,

People just make up their own truth and say that you’re the one in need of “truth.” It’s a product of the “alternative facts” era that mainly Trump ushered in and others have picked up. If your facts do no support the preferred agenda, it’s just dismissed as “fake news.” Easy-peacy.

makingStuffForFun ,
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ll disagree. This issue has probably been around since humans could communicate.

GiddyGap ,

Not to this extent in any way. It has been infinitely exacerbated with the dawn of social media. Those who seek to divide have the tools to do so. And we’ve seen since 2016 what it leads to when people are being continually lied to and they believe it because the lies fit into their own belief system. Trump is not a master at much, but he’s a master at that.

vldnl ,

I think you could argue that this is an example of cognitive dissonance. It is uncomfortable to come face to face with new information that contradicts your beliefs or actions, and it requires energy if you want to integrate that new information into your worldview and adjust your actions. It is much easier to deny that information, even when it is clearly true.

For example, when it came out that aspartame might cause cancer, if you (like me) have eaten/drunk a lot of products containing it or have had a strong belief that it was completely safe, then it may be more comfortable for you to criticize WHO or think “well, it’s not really relevant for me because my family isn’t predisposed for cancer.” If you didn’t care about aspartame or artificial sweeteners before, you will probably readily accept that there may or may not be a cancer link.

henrikx ,

This might be spot on

Nerorero ,
@Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Could you make an example? They most likely see you the same way.

timeisart ,

Is there even an objective truth though? I’d say there technically is, but I think we all have our own subjective versions of what our “truth” is that rise and fall like a sine wave around the straight line of objective Truth.

Just remember that what is popular is not always true, and what is true is not always popular.

tonamel ,

Have you considered that they probably feel the same way about you? That you're disregarding what they say and pushing back with your own outlook?

madt_ ,

That’s great question! From psychological perspective, people like to think that they are right. If they encounter some person or situation that threatens their believes they have three choices:

  • accept that they were wrong - might cause some unpleasant emotions, risks being perceived as not trustworthy/knowledgeable
  • assume the other party is wrong - the belief is upheld, no negative consequences
  • find some condition under which the belief in question does not apply - middle ground Of course, there are many situational and personal qualities that affect how easily person accepts other view as their own.

Eg. if you are self-proclaimed expert on some topic, naturally opinions different than yours are wrong, at least to you. However, if you approach your expertise with attitude of trying to understand underlying principles, it would be easier to accommodate for new, sometimes very surprising facts or theories.

Also, humans are very susceptible to biases, meaning the world they perceive is different to what “objectively” is. One of them is attribution bias, which causes people to assume some results depend on their actions - even if there in no basis for that. This bias started the whole “vaccines cause autism” belief. The reaserch paper which started the whole thing is based on a survey directed to parents of autistic childen asking, do they think autism of their child was caused by a vaccine. It is ridiculous belief for most nowadays, but it provided a clear cause of the disease for those parents.

I know my writing can be confusing sometimes, so let me know if you would like some clarification.

GodOfThunder ,

Humans are more influenced by emotions than logic, which means that critical thinking alone may not convince them. Only those who are receptive to logical reasoning can be persuaded.

A video about it

ADHDefy , (edited )
@ADHDefy@kbin.social avatar

When it comes to changing someone's mind, I believe it helps to first question whether there's even a need to do so. If there is, then asking questions is vital. You can't just hit someone with Facts & Logic™ and expect that it will immediately undo something they may have had drilled into them since childhood, or something that requires recognition that would challenge other dearly held beliefs (e.g. "if my dad did a bad thing, then is he not the great, infallible man I thought he was? If he's a bad person and people tell me I look and act just like him, does that mean I'm a bad person, too?"). Finding out why someone believes what they believe, and taking time to understand it yourself and validate their experience is instrumental in opening up people's hearts and minds. Or, at least, that's been my experience and is therefore true to me. 😉

Rottcodd ,
@Rottcodd@kbin.social avatar

It's not simply that people believe specific things, but that they define themselves in terms of what they believe.

And in fact, it's often the case that people invest in specific beliefs not because they've reasoned their way to that conclusion, but simply because they've effectively picked it off the rack of possible beliefs as the one that most clearly represents whatever image of themselves they wish to promote - it's the position held by smart people or enlightened people or trendy people or moral people or strong people or whatever.

So if you try to argue against their belief, you face two immediate and generally insurmountable obstacles.

First, they're psychologically invested in the belief, so if you call it into question, you're not just threatening the belief - you're threatening their self-image. Anything that casts doubt on the belief by extension casts doubt on their self-affirming presumption that holding the belief demonstrates their intelligence/morality/whatever.

And second, since it's likely the case that they didn't reason their way to the position in the first place, they can't becreasoned away from it anyway. So itvinevitably shifts back to their psychological investment in the position, and your attempts at reason are a distraction at best.

Nerorero ,
@Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Could you add the source of a media outlet that I trust to support your claims?

Jumper775 ,

Confirmation bias is strong with some.

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