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Zacryon ,

“17-Nov -22 Russia is not considering using nuclear weapons - Kremlin says.”

How threatening.

MonsterTeresa ,

If you speak Kremlin, that’s their way of saying that they want us to think that they are considering using nuclear weapons. It’s the younger-sibling-on-a-road-trip’s “I’m not touching you” of nuclear threats.

Zacryon ,

Interesting point. Sadly, I don’t speak Kremlin. Are there good reasons or past experiences which support that it’s “the younger sibling”?

At first, taken for itself, this sounds to me like the usual nuclear de-escalation talk and not the other way around.

LibertyLizard ,

A lot of these are not exactly clear threats. If you used the same standards I’m sure you could come up with a similar list from the US.

AgileLion ,

No, you couldn’t.

LibertyLizard ,

Well, I’m much too lazy to generate a list, but considering feverish claims by sycophantic journalists as threats from the regime is pretty questionable. And of course the US has maintained its preemptive nuclear strike policy, which also appears on this list for Russia several times. So those things alone would be a moderately long list I expect.

eestileib ,

@LibertyLizard @AgileLion

Wow, it's news to me that the US has a nuclear first-strike policy.

Maybe because it's not the case.

The US is an imperialist bully, but you weaken your case by making false statements.

LibertyLizard ,

theintercept.com/…/nuclear-weapons-biden-russia-s…

What false statements?

Shit ,
@Shit@sh.itjust.works avatar

So you made it up and now can’t provide a single source to your made up claims?

LibertyLizard ,

Made what up, exactly? I’m not going to go through all of the statements made by hawkish journalists about how the US should use its arsenal because that’s a ridiculous thing to even care about, let alone summarize—that was my point, that this list includes many tangential and absurd claims not made by the actual government of Russia.

As far as the second claim, it’s easy to verify and I thought it was common knowledge that the US maintains the right to strike first with nukes, just as Russia did but since apparently many people in this thread are unfamiliar with US policy, here you go: theintercept.com/…/nuclear-weapons-biden-russia-s…

Shit ,
@Shit@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was talking about this statement you made.

A lot of these are not exactly clear threats. If you used the same standards I’m sure you could come up with a similar list from the US.

The article you sent is about the first strike power not even the same subject?

LibertyLizard ,

So you haven’t read the list we’re discussing. No wonder this is not a productive discussion.

Several of the articles listed here are simply Russia reiterating that they will not restrict use of nuclear weapons to retaliatory strikes… just as the US has. This is exactly what I mean when I say that many of these items are not threats in the conventional sense of the word.

To be clear: I condemn the nuclear weapons policies and programs of both nations. But they are not direct threats to other nations in and of themselves.

Shit ,
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    LibertyLizard ,

    I’m sorry if I’m annoying you but factually incorrect posts annoy me. Especially in a time of war when hostilities and emotions are high, it is best to be skeptical and analyze the facts in a level-headed manner.

    The rest of your comment does not seem relevant. Can I provide a source of the US threatening Russia with nukes? No, because I never said they did that. I can provide some links that sycophants would exaggerate into threats (and have already done so elsewhere in this thread), but I don’t think you would find those convincing. Therefore you should not find them convincing when the places are reversed.

    Russian rhetoric has certainly gotten aggressive. This is why it’s so silly to include normal, non-threatening behavior on this list. It’s really not needed for the overall point that Russias nuclear policy is threatening and reckless. That remains true, but this list also remains an exaggeration of that truth.

    Shit ,
    @Shit@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yeah I don’t know dude look over your posts your schizo posting… You only provided one source and it was regarding the president having the power to first strike…

    Anyways I’m not going to be the one to ban you but this is dumb you didn’t get any point across.

    Please try to be nice and engage in good faith in the future of you want a discussion not whatever this is.

    Hope you have a better day tomorrow. 🫡

    LibertyLizard ,

    I don’t know what I said that was not nice or in good faith so it seems very aggressive to bring up banning but alright, have a good day to you as well.

    atlasraven31 ,

    The US doesn’t have to make nuclear threats since they have an overwhelming advantage in non-nuclear firepower.

    CapraObscura ,

    Vatnik scum fuck off.

    LibertyLizard ,

    I don’t even know what that means but I’m pretty whatever you think about me or my views, it’s not correct.

    CapraObscura ,

    Yeah, you don’t seem to know much about anything.

    LibertyLizard ,

    Few people do!

    Zaroni ,

    Yea uh, no. You could not lmao. Please give me a list of the us threatening any other countries this many times publicly.

    LibertyLizard ,

    Why should I? My point is not that the US has made threats, my point is that many of the listed events are not threats and it’s misleading to describe them as such.

    Generating such a biased, exaggerated list for the US would be a waste of time, and would constitute propaganda. Just as this list is a pointless piece of propaganda.

    Zaroni ,

    You said word for word that you could make a similar list with us threats, but then now you say it would be a waste of time? None of these threats on this list are not credible. These are just article titles, but if you look at each article they all have a direct quote from a Russian head of state threatening the use of its nuclear arsenal against the west. Also, defending Russia by saying a peice of propoganda is pointless is so laughable I could cry. You read the articles and not just the titles right?

    LibertyLizard ,

    I read some. Enough to find some that did not contain threats from the Kremlin. But I know you didn’t read them all either.

    And the existence of Russian propaganda does not mean there is not pro-western propaganda as well. Propaganda exists in many forms. And it is all bad.

    Zoot ,
    @Zoot@reddthat.com avatar

    Sooo, which ones exactly did you read that had no credible threat? Because as others have stated, they have made clear threats in these articles. Do go off on how russia and the US both have made an assiniging amount of threats, it’s nice to find who the russian bots are.

    commie ,

    bots

    this is poisoning the well.

    EnglishMobster ,
    @EnglishMobster@kbin.social avatar

    Lmao, from

    A lot of these are not exactly clear threats. If you used the same standards I’m sure you could come up with a similar list from the US.

    to

    Generating such a biased, exaggerated list for the US would be a waste of time

    Aka "I'm having trouble sourcing my own claim so just trust me bro"

    LibertyLizard ,

    Trust me or don’t, I don’t care. If you just read what’s there it’s fairly obvious, didn’t think this would be so controversial.

    skillissuer OP ,

    a threat where russia has no balls to follow through is still a threat

    Ignacio ,

    I'm curious, by the way. When can you come up with a similar list from the US regarding nuclear threats?

    MonsterTeresa ,

    YeAh, WhAtAbOuT tHe US? DiD aNyOnE mEnTiOn US BaD yEt?

    ^Rubles^ ^please^ ^daddy^ ^Putin^

    drathvedro ,

    Medvedev’s just a powerless clown, you can disregard any news mentioning him

    And I would’ve liked to say that Russia wont ever use nukes offensively because that would be the dumbest action ever. But I wont because I was thinking the same about the whole invasion during last year. Just… God save us all…

    skillissuer ,
    @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    medvedev tries hard to fill that niche left when that motherfucker zhirinovsky croaked

    drathvedro ,

    True, Zhirinovsky was also a powerless clown. Though I find it weird that Medvedev, who tried to appear hip and techy during his term, now does a U-turn and tries to appeal to MAGA-kind crowd

    NavalExplorer ,

    It might have been simpler to just display a normal calendar. That’s about the same.

    You remember these calendars with a famous quote every day? You could do it with nuclear threats.

    SpaceCowboy ,
    @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

    No threats in June 2022! So that’s something I guess.

    abraham_linksys ,

    In 2008 Putin threatened to nuke Ukraine for hosting a missile shield?

    I’m guessing a Ukrainian fucked his girlfriend or something and the little manchild just never let it go lol

    Epicurus0319 ,

    That might actually be the case, he definitely has a smol pipi and there are so many hot guys in that country

    MonsterTeresa ,

    piped.video/watch?v=8pL7ozb1tdY

    5redie8 ,

    The North Korea playbook lol

    They learn from the best

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Say what you will about Putin, he knows he can only hope to imitate and never equal The Glorious Leader Who Is Definitely Not The Absolute Monarch Of Our Commietopia

    TacoThrash3r ,
    @TacoThrash3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

    What’s a “nuclear threat”? Sounds like “I didn’t really mean it bro”

    jebbyknowsbest ,

    Routers is now owned by Russia, sounds like a great way to gain some ad revenue.

    Estiar ,

    They really ramp up in 2022

    WarmSoda ,

    It was just a prank nuclear threat, bro!

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