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uriel238 , (edited )
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That’s how it all started. Guys in planes with handguns.

The French eventually put a forward-mounted gun on the plane but had to install deflectors on the prop that would protect it from bullets. On the German side Fokker developed an interrupter gear to be mounted onto the Fokker Eindekker which prevented the mounted gun from discharging when the propeller was in the way. It wasn’t perfect, but better than the deflectors.

ETA: The story goes that Fokker himself went up to demonstrate the forward-mounted machine-gun with the interrupter gear, but once he got behind an Allied scouting plane, he didn’t have the heart to kill the crew. It didn’t take long, before other pilots gladly started shooting down enemy planes.

With biplanes, guns were sometimes mounted on the upper wing to evade the problem, though eventually the central powers developed their own interrupter gear mechanism.

Note that those flying contraptions were considered more valuable than pilots, and they were sent up without parachutes in order to given them incentive to return with the plane, or at least get it to the ground with less damage. As I flew WWI flying simulations, I noticed I had a while to think up some good last words while staring at the looming ground. Too bad no one would ever hear them.

Anticorp ,

My Post Civil War American History professor told us that the enemy pilots used to wave to each other as they flew past each other. Then one day some asshole pulled out his revolver and shot the guy waving at him, and that’s when they started mounting guns on airplanes.

superkret ,

Waving at each other just shows how fucked up society was at the time:
“Sure, you’re spotting for the artillery that’ll kill hundreds of my countrymen, but they’re only peasants. Us two, we’re nobles.”

Anticorp ,

Us pilots are above the men on the ground, quite literally.

PugJesus OP ,

“Knights of the air”

kersploosh ,
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

No gun, no problem. If you are wearing shoes you always have options.

George W. Bush dodging a show thrown at him during a press conference

PugJesus OP ,

Not with those lightning fast shrub reflexes!

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

W was a piece of shit in many many ways, but you can't deny his humanity in that moment. Dude handled it like a champ and couldn't wait for whatever was coming after the second shoe. You could tell that was his favorite thing that ever happened in a press conference.

superkret ,

The guy who threw it still got thrown in prison, though.

kersploosh ,
@kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

W must have slept in a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Anticorp ,

Say what you will about GWB, the man could certainly dodge a shoe!

_stranger_ ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/279beec7-6810-423b-826f-7e7a406e0bb4.gif

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

William Faulkner has some wonderful stories about the WW1 days when people would go up in these rickety planes with a handgun, and take potshots with it with one hand while they flew the plane with the other, or take up a big basket of hand grenades and be lobbing them down at people on the ground while the people on the ground were shooting at them with infantry weapons.

Pilots in war have always been nuts, but there's levels of nuts.

PugJesus OP ,

I love seeing pictures of WW1 infantry preparing to let loose an anti-aircraft volley from their bolt-action rifles. What a wild time of military developments

mozz ,
@mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

Somewhere there is a Vietnam book where an American pilot told a story about "One-Shot Charlie". There was an old Vietnamese man in some village who had some kind of ancient rifle, and every time they were flying nearby, he'd come out of his house and fire a single shot at the aircraft going past him half a mile up or whatever, and then go back inside. Just kind of a "I hate the fuck out of you but all I have is this rifle but fuck yes I will do my part."

They loved him. They never tried to attack him and I think would have been legitimately angry if someone had tried to hurt him. When you are in war you find your moments of safety and humor where you can.

tal ,
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Flight of the Intruder opens with an A-6 bombadier being hit and killed by a round from a bolt-action rifle at low altitude.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPofeRImxv8

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