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idealium ,

A large portion of you in the replies don’t feel like they should be obligated to tip because they feel it’s up to the employer to properly compensate their workers, and yet they feel comfortable enjoying the product of these exploited workers’ labor. My question to all of you is, if you care about worker exploitation, why don’t you, the consumer, speak out against this practice directly? Call employers out, speak to the workers, see what you can do to help them organize. If you can’t be bothered to do any of that, consider not dog-piling on the worker for the faults of their employer by deciding not to tip and making it harder for workers to organize. It seems to me that by not tipping, you’re just helping employers and not workers.

dwindling7373 ,

It’s called voting. Most people do that.

Tip culture is an obvious moral blackmail. While being against it I tend to go with it in countries that struggle moving past slavery.

To a certain extent if everybody stopped tipping things would change probably faster than by any political mean anyway.

ABluManOnLemmy ,

I’m glad to have moved from a country where taxes and (high) expected tips are on top of the price, to a country where tax is included in the price and tips are usually not expected. It makes a surprising difference in affordability when you can actually buy a €5 item with €5.

As soon as companies started asking for tips at self check-out, it became obvious that it’s just a way of trying to underpay their staff and shift that responsibility on the customer.

cobra89 ,

Went to a concert the other day and they were asking for tip on their $6 hot dogs. The options were 20% 25% and 30% and no option for custom lol.

I’m not tipping at a concert concession stand when stuff is already outrageously overpriced. GTFOH.

emi ,
@emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Here is a crazy idea, Pay Workers A Livable Wage and price goods accordingly… that is the easiest step forward as I would be tempted to ask for more because profits are unpaid wages.

wholemilk ,

I ordered food from a place with zero human interaction. I ordered from a tablet and picked up my food from the counter after receiving a text. I was still asked to tip. At that point, I didn’t even know what I was supposed to be tipping for.

Harold ,

I used to not tip for takeout (since I had thought there was not really “service”), but I’ve since learned that the packaging for take away can be rather involved. So, I do tip now for the labor of readying the meals to go

monkeysuncle ,
@monkeysuncle@beehaw.org avatar

The problem I have with that is you have to tip before you even eat the food. They could have screwed up your order, burnt your food, etc., but you won’t know until after you’ve already tipped them.

asclepias ,

How do you know if your tip went to the person who did that labor though?

nevernevermore ,

How do Americans budget when you don’t actually know how much things are going to cost you? I’d be lost without my spreadsheets

Klinkertinlegs ,

I’d be willing to bet that the vast majority of Americans don’t budget at all. I don’t. I should, but I’d probably walk into traffic if I had to look at the numbers.

FarceMultiplier ,
@FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca avatar

I would not object to a law banning establishments from requesting tips before service has been provided.

invno1 ,

They shouldn’t request tips at all. Tips only should be provided if a customer feels like the service was above and beyond normal.

FarceMultiplier ,
@FarceMultiplier@lemmy.ca avatar

Sure, but that’s a societal and cultural change. I’m talking about a legal change.

Nikelui ,
@Nikelui@kbin.social avatar

There is a legal solution too. It's called: regulate the minimum wages.

lysy ,

FYI: Denmark doesn’t have minimum wage.
Guess what’s the difference between minimum salary of McDonalds worker in Denmark vs USA.
Keyword: labor union.

Jo ,
@Jo@readit.buzz avatar

That's not true in the US. They have a tipped minimum wage; there, if you're not tipping you're stealing someone's labour.

It is a sucky system, as the buried lede in that article shows:

However, data from the very checkout system that prompted tipping revealed disparities in pay. Neitzel noticed that Black employees were earning less tips than their White counterparts.

But, until it is burned to the ground, that is the system and (in the US) you should not use it to exploit people.

invno1 ,

Some areas in the US have tipped minimum wage. Some areas have an actual minimum wage that is paid regardless of tips. Don’t accuse others of exploiting people when it is truly the employer backed up by the local state law. Blame your state and do something about it.

NuPNuA ,

Technically the employer is stealing their labour, the customer is paying the advertised price in a perfectly legal exchange.

If the staff don’t like this, they need to unionise and fight the employer to pay a proper living wage.

themadcodger ,
@themadcodger@kbin.social avatar

I hate the tipping culture, and wish it would go away. But I'll still do it for sit down service as that's part of the deal. The ones that really get me are for pickup as well as the fastish food services where you go to the counter to order, prepay, you pick it up from the counter and bus your own tables. What exactly am I tipping for?

And why do taxis need tips? Or hairdressers?

1019throw ,

Over covid we would tip fairly frequently for takeout. We still on occasion tip to local places, but most of the time we don't. I'm literally picking up the food, no service is being provided.

BurningnnTree ,

I made an online order for a restaurant a while ago, and there was a tip option with a message that said “100% of tips go toward supporting the restaurant.” First of all that’s a super vague statement, and secondly, that’s not what tips are for. Tips are for supporting the specific people who serve me, not for supporting the restaurant as a whole. Why would I want to leave a tip when I don’t even know where the money is going.

randomperson ,
@randomperson@kbin.social avatar

I love that vast majority of Europeans don't tip. At least the ones thinking rationally.

DekkerNSFW ,

Here in the Netherlands, we only tip for fancy restaurants, if the service was good.

ed2417 ,

I was ordering a pizza online for pickup. When it prompted for a tip at checkout I canceled the order. This is the worst case scenario in my book.

freeman ,

I just hit 0.

When someone said something to me, I stopped picking up pizza from there….

I’ll tip and quite well (usually 25-30%) for full service stuff. But for buffet style/sandwich lines and takeout. No thanks

Shdwdrgn ,

Same here… If I’m being served I will tip well. However if I call in my order, go pick up my order, and the “server” who took my order doesn’t even collect my money, then what my tips are really going towards is making up for the fact that the restaurant isn’t actually paying their staff a livable wage. During the COVID shutdowns, sure I was willing to help keep their doors open. Everyone is back to full business now, so what exactly are you asking me to pay for?

freeman ,

Yeah same mindset.

Also those other schemes like round up or add $2 to “donate to help first responders” or “save the puppies” I opt out of too. Because when I looked into it I found a company only needed to actually donate like 10% of that total donation to remain in the clear from a tax standpoint and the rest can be used to “administer the program”.

So no, never do those either.

Shdwdrgn ,

Wow, a whole 10% you say? How can these companies afford to operate on only a 90% commission? /s

Dankenstein ,

Tipped wages are disgusting.

Every business should pay their employees stable wages.

I have no problem with putting some extra cash down for the waiter that looks no older than me and is working at the roadhouse down the village back road for minimum wage.

If a fuckin Pret a Manger opened up in center Philly and defaults to 30% tips, wtf man, wtf.

Wincing5185 ,
@Wincing5185@mastodon.online avatar

@Dankenstein @RotaryKeyboard as an European, US tips things is just ridiculous. Seriouly can't understand that shit. Why don't you pay your ppl for the work they do?

themadcodger ,
@themadcodger@kbin.social avatar

With so many things in this country, the origins are racism. While tipping originated in Europe, it became popular in the States post-slavery as a way to not have to actually pay black people. Haven't shaken it yet.

And annoyingly, the ones who often push the hardest to keep tipping culture are the servers themselves as they can take home a lot of money on a busy weekend evening. Hopefully, we're getting closer to getting rid of it though.

Osayidan ,
@Osayidan@social.vmdk.ca avatar

For the longest time tipping was very stable and nobody said much but with the covid-inspired tipping greed hopefully you're right. If enough people get pissed off maybe something will happen for tipping to be eliminated. I personally haven't sat down in a restaurant since the end of 2019, haven't done a food delivery since 2021, and that won't change until tipping is gone.

Drusas ,

If you can't afford to pay your employees a decent wage, you should raise your prices or you shouldn't be in business.

There are a few places here in Seattle which have eliminated tipping, raised prices, and raised wages. I greatly prefer this, personally speaking. Add no, I'm not going to start tipping every random cashier just because they start prompting me to.

jinno ,

The problem is - restaurants in most parts of the states cannot reliably do that. They’re going to see a higher price and they’re probably walking out soon after. Or worse - they stay and leave a shit review because they set their expectations at a higher bar of food quality than was provided.

If we could unilaterally remove exemptions for tipped wages, I’d see the possibility of it becoming much more common.

HQC ,

Most restaurants in America as they exist now should not exist. We’re essentially all subsidizing low quality, frozen food.

NuPNuA ,

So these people are willing to tip for naff food but not pay more to begin with?

yuun ,
@yuun@lemmy.one avatar

Yeah I have no idea who the tip even goes to sometimes.

And really in those cases, I assume straight to the business/owner. And then it’s like why am I volunteering to buy this at an additional markup?

ProfessorZhu ,
@ProfessorZhu@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Tips go to employees and it’s even illegal for managers to get tips. You know exactly who it’s going to, you’re just playing games rather than accepting you don’t like to tip

yuun ,
@yuun@lemmy.one avatar

No? 1) I’m perfectly happy to say I don’t like tipping in general, too. I do it because that’s how we’ve apparently agreed service workers make any money at all. 2) I didn’t explicitly say I’m in the US, altho I did imagine our tipping culture to be a bit unique, so to be clear - I also don’t have much faith in labor laws getting consistently enforced here. 3) Who is getting tipped from self-service machine screens?

You can also take the smug armchair psych somewhere else, guy.

spen ,
  1. Pay employees a decent wage.
  2. Long past time to get rid of the lower tip minimum wage
  3. I will choose to go to no-tip places
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