It does not distinguish between civilians and fighters, but a majority of the 34,344 dead can be identified as civilians based on age and gender alone. It includes 11,355 children, 2,955 people aged 60 or older, and 6,297 women. There are also many civilian men of fighting age who have been killed.
Israel claims it has killed 17,000 militants, without providing evidence. It does not provide an estimate of civilians killed in Gaza.
There are only 13,107 of the dead who could be men of working age, so Israel’s claim of 17,000 militants killed is very unlikely to be true unless Hamas fighters include a lot of women, children and old people, or unless Israel is saying it knows it has killed very many more people than reported.
It sucks that this is how humanity has to learn these lessons. “Sure, we’ve done a holocaust before…but have we done a holocaust during the age of the internet with a bunch of propaganda saying it’s not happening?”
Either you are an example of what I would call the propaganda, or you’re in the bubble.
Literally, read the article. There’s no world where “11,355 children, 2,955 people aged 60 or older, and 6,297 women” slaughtered is anywhere close to reasonable. It’s not even that they are collateral damage, civilians make up HALF of casualties that we know about!
Experts at the UN have said there are “reasonable grounds” to believe the bar has been met for genocide, and while the UN won’t officially label it as such, they have officially told Israel that they are required to 1) “prevent a genocide”, and 2) get out of Gaza immediately. But Israel continues to flagrantly disregard both instructions.
It’s not subtle, they’re not trying to hide it, they are in the process of eradicating a rival religion from the face of the earth because they know they’re in the position where every other first world country will help them do it, no questions asked. And we all just have to sit and watch it happen.
you’re constantly getting into fights with people on threads like this and it’s neither good for you, nor the people around you, nor the community. i’m giving you a 30 day cool-off from this section accordingly
Are you saying that when Hamas are caught lying it shouldn’t be reported?
Were you also outraged when Hamas said 500 Palestians were killed by IDF bombing AlAhli hospital and all the media outlets reported this as fact but the responsible ones later apologized and reported that was a blatant Hamas lie?
Should we never correct stories when the facts come to light?
Similarly there were no children killed by Hamas during October 7 despite some crazy Israeli guy lying in his “eyewitness” report (later debunked). I’m sure you were happy to have that be corrected.
I am happy for all of the above to be corrected without having to frame it as justification for atrocities.
A day after Blinken called the pagers a dangerous escalation, Israel was like, “just wait bro, I’ve got even more terrorism to do!”
So far, 12 people have been confirmed killed by the pager explosions. 2 of them were children. So in their “highly targeted attack”, Israel still managed a ridiculous 1-to-5, child-to-adult kill ratio. Most moral army!^/s^
That is a silly take if I’ve ever seen one. How more targeted can you get than to make pagers that are exclusively used by a terrorist organization explode with such little force that even bystanders who are one meter away are unharmed, that even fruit at a vegetable stand right next to the targeted terrorist remains unspoiled? This is the very opposite of terrorism, literally the most precise strike on a terrorist organization or military as a whole in history, infinitely superior to a land invasion or air strikes. In the real world, it doesn’t get any more perfect than this. It would be preposterous for a strike on thousands of targets to result in zero collateral damage, but I would bet good money that once (or if) the actual numbers ever come out, it’ll be the most favorable combatant to civilian casualty rate for an operation of this size in recorded history.
How naive does one have to be to trust official accounts on the number and age of the victims from a failed state that is effectively under full control of a terrorist organization? I can assure you that the estimated five grams of explosive have resulted in far more terrorist deaths than just 10, even during just the first strike - but Hezbollah won’t be willing to admit as much and instead present, through their intermediaries in the Lebanese government, a convenient fake figure and two maybe real, maybe invented civilian casualties that you’ll happily regurgitate just as much as you happily regurgitate figures from the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza.
I get the feeling that what many of Israel’s critics are asking of the country is to just roll over and die, that no matter to how absolutely extreme lengths they go to minimize civilian casualties compared to literally everyone else on this planet, it’s all categorically wrong, because those dastardly Jews had the audacity to not present their other cheek, even as hundreds of thousands of them had to flee their bombs due to near constant Hezbollah bombardments of civilian areas in the North of Israel. Were you even aware of this? Do you really think that this situation could go on indefinitely?
This batch of pagers was exclusively ordered and used by Hezbollah after their leader demanded they stop using Smartphones for security reasons. This isn’t is sigint, it was a supply-chain attack. It wasn’t random pagers that exploded, but only those that were distributed by the terrorist org to its officers.
Who held the pagers at the time they blew up? I used to love to play with my dad’s pager as a kid.
Targeting using an electronic device is sigint. These people have families, and the Israeli terrorists murdered children with this attack. Did you read the article?
Booby traps are a war crime, because they do not discriminate between civilians and combatants, even if you place them in a location that is only likely to be accessed by combatants. And public markets and banks and homes aren’t that.
A booby trap is defined by the International Committee of the Red Cross, the body charged with oversight and implementation of the Geneva Conventions and related treaties on the law of armed conflict, as a “harmless portable object” – but redesigned to contain explosive material. They are a prohibited means of warfare and are equally prohibited by law enforcement authorities.
I like how in your world the only options are “detonate thousand of bombs remotely without seeing what is near them”, or “roll over and die”. Incredible false dichotomy to cape for terrorism.
That’s not what I said. Israel has to fight back and since they are small, much smaller than their enemies, they need to be smart about it. This is an example of that, not only ingenious in concept and execution, but also significantly more humane than any alternative. Again, an attack this targeted against military or terrorist personnel is the very opposite of terrorism.
If you think you can negotiate anything even remotely resembling peace with an organization that has vowed to not just eradicate Israel, but every Jew in the world, then you’re hopelessly misguided.
If you think you can negotiate anything even remotely resembling peace with an organization that has vowed to not just eradicate Israel, but every Jew in the world, then you’re hopelessly misguided.
You can’t use the boogeyman of genocide to justify war crimes.
Netanyahu saying “it’s us or them” is the exact same rhetoric as Hezbollah, but I don’t hear you arguing it’s fine for the “them” in that statement to do war crimes in response. I wonder why the double-standard?
I think you should look into what Hezbollah actually says instead of naively (or deliberately) creating a false equivalency. Here’s what they teach schoolchildren:
I just watched some videos by a 19-year-old kid who wanted to study psychology in college. The first video I saw wqs about an easy meal to make in difficult situations and a reminder that people were starving. He was murdered on August 28th from indiscriminate bombing.
On September 15, 2024, Jackson suffered a heart attack and died at the age of 70 in Gallup, New Mexico while driving to Oklahoma. Police in Gallup stated that Jackson was found near a mall in the city in need of medical attention. He was taken via ambulance to a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.
This is just the delusions of a deranged man. No country can e perpetually at war. Eventually, something gives way, and there’s no way Russia will ever win a war with the West.
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