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lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy

cross-posted from: sh.itjust.works/post/2881638

The largest piracy community is hosted over at !piracy

lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked !piracy.

If this is a problem for you, I’d suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn’t block it (such as lemm.ee).

edit:

An official announcement has been made:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/209c5f83-f6a7-40a8-b1b3-ffaab9b6b5c3.webp

MonkderZweite , (edited )

Reaction there: oh no… Anyway

1984 , (edited )
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It’s illegal so of course they have to block it.

You can find pirated material on the web elsewhere so why is it important if it’s on Lemmy or not?

Imagine if the idiotic media starts writing about Lemmy as a pirate network or something worse.

It’s adult individuals running these servers, not companies. They would get punished in 2 seconds.

You want them to risk committing crimes for running a Lemmy instance?

If you want to downvote this, maybe you should run something illegal first in public and see how it goes.

veniasilente ,

One would think the devs would dedicate some time to fix this particular failing of Lemmy, because “download the entire internet of a site because one (1) user posts in one (1) community in one (1) server” is just ridiculous from a lot of standpoints, both technical and legal.

RazorsLedge ,

Did you mean “one (7)”?

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Given lemmy.world’s uptime vs how well pirates keep torrent seeds up, I’d be surprised if anyone in that community actually uses lemmy.world as a primary instance lmao

xusontha ,

Ouch!

botorfj ,
@botorfj@lemdro.id avatar

i myself switched away from lemmy.world due to how unstable it is, glad i did so.

victron ,
@victron@programming.dev avatar

Who is actually “infuriated” by this? Some idiots?

Gestrid ,

The piracy community certainly isn’t. I checked to see how they reacted, and the general consensus there is, “… ok. shrugs”

victron ,
@victron@programming.dev avatar

Exactly what I expected.

ToastyWaffles ,
@ToastyWaffles@lemmygrad.ml avatar

God forbid you have to make an additional account that takes 2mins so you can do your pirating! Only people complaining probably aren’t worth listening to, and don’t really understand how the fediverse is meant to work.

victron ,
@victron@programming.dev avatar

Seriously, I hope the whole topic dies soon, I’ve read a lot of ignorant stuff. Some people even though the piracy communities were being shut down or the whole instance was being defederated, etc.

Historical_General ,

Apparently a racist troll with a new account asked and lemmyworld admins bent the knee. Which seems strange, and this appears to be a pattern of behaviour with lemmydotworld admins.

victron ,
@victron@programming.dev avatar

Yeah, it’s weird that only a post caused their response. Their decision seems more naive than malicious imo

infyrin ,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Cannot say I will miss it, they are a bunch of assholes over there. I once made a open discussion post there about asking people’s preferred media to pirate and I got lots of derailing responses. And when I told one of them that their jokes sucked, they went rabid.

And they are all ebeggars too. Fuck them.

Stoneykins ,

“open discussion” “derailing responses”

What?

infyrin ,
@infyrin@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, that’s the kind of responses I got. Snarky piece of shit responses. Glad you’ve proven to be an example. Did you peak in middle school?

Stoneykins ,

No I’ve never peaked my whole life is shitty and unnoteworthy.

Those two things are contradictory, I’m not wrong for asking what that meant.

Apparently the answer is “anything you dislike at all”

isVeryLoud ,

Eh, so what? Migrate to another instance.

transistor ,
@transistor@lemdro.id avatar

Wow! Even Reddit hasn’t shut down the Piracy subreddit.

KrisND ,

Yeah but check out the difference in the community rules, that’s why.

transistor ,
@transistor@lemdro.id avatar

I don’t think the piracy communities shared any direct link to copyrighted materials.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Reddit has a legal team. Rudd is just a random hobbiest with a day job.

transistor ,
@transistor@lemdro.id avatar

I’m just saying that I thought it was a bit of overreaction. Ofcourse it’s their instance, they can do whatever they want.

neuromancer ,
@neuromancer@lemmy.world avatar

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    Kramgr ,

    Maybe Reddit is just a front operation to generate huge legal fees for their legal team. Ever think of that? It’s a scam worthy of Tony Soprano, who runs that pygmy thing over in Jersey.

    Sort of like one certain loser of a recent election…

    Gnubyte ,

    I think people forget that decentralized doesn’t mean anonymous, and it also doesn’t mean that server admins and servers aren’t beholden to local laws

    dmmeyournudes ,

    yeah, a decentralized link aggregator just works!

    bandario ,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    If you are hosting a discussion forum on a server that you are responsible for, does that automatically make you responsible for the content that people post on it? Even an instance the size of dbzer0 is impossible for a single person to moderate all of the content from the many communities that are federated with it. Impossible.

    That’s like saying the admin of lemmy.world holds all of the wild political opinions that are posted on there.

    Stoneykins ,

    When it comes to the legality of most things hosted on websites, that is how it works. The legality of piracy is different, for no reason.

    Too many people in this thread are basically saying “discussing/assisting with piracy is illegal, move on” while having no opinion whatsoever on whether or not that is a just law. They just base their morality on what is legal and I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO SAY WHY THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.

    bandario ,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    People are fucked.

    AeonFelis ,

    It doesn’t matter if the law is just or not - what matters is the legal risk to the lemmy.world admins and whether or not they are willing to take it.

    Stoneykins ,

    I disagree that it doesn’t matter, even if it is less relevant to lemmy.world’s course of action.

    many people in this thread are making moral arguments against piracy, and most of the people doing so are just appealing to the authority of the law.

    but if you really want to have a discussion about the risk to lemmy.world, there wasn’t any yet. the piracy community also disallowed sharing direct links to files, and even in the event that lemmy.world had received a DMCA, that would have been the moment to do something about it, they aren’t liable for just hosting content unless they ignore one of those. acting like they are going to get singled out and have the servers shut down and raided because they might have a cache of some person’s comments from a different website where someone might have posted direct links to illegal files is a massive overreaction. This whole thing was set off by a troll that was mad that they got banned from lemmy.dbzer0.com for being transphobic and tried to tattle on the group like a toddler, not because of any implication that the risks were about to change.

    not that anyone but the admin’s opinions matter in this case, it is their server. they could do anything at all and it wouldn’t matter to me regardless of it’s legality or risk. Doesn’t change that I’m not fan of large corporations or the people that bend over backwards for them, out of fear or any reason.

    Gnubyte ,

    When feds come a knockin’? Fuck yeah it does mean you’re responsible for them, yeah man. Lmao. We just had our server admin purge some pervert agenda pusher. Because first off thats fucked up and next it could have the server seized.

    Some dusty law enforcement won’t care if its just one bad apple. Especially if they get whiff that its a “community”.

    bandario ,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    It doesn’t make a great deal of sense to me tbh. If you are harboring communities of sexual abusers or something, sure.

    Here’s another example: I have some pretty fucked up fiction books in my house. Am I responsible for what the author says? It’s the same damn thing. Words written by a person who is not me, that are in my house.

    xaon_rider92 ,

    It’s unfortunate, but it’s kinda understandable why they chose to do so. The admins are just a bunch of regular people, they may not have the financial security to risk the legal issues that could come from having any sort of piracy related content.

    I guess I’ll just be using my alt acc for piracy stuff.

    Mdotaut801 ,

    I was going to bitch but read your comment and won’t be. You’re totally right, I didn’t even think about the points you made before getting annoyed.

    Chailles ,
    @Chailles@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, it really can’t be helped. The piracy community can always just shut down and congregate elsewhere. It’s significantly harder for a more general community to scatter and reform.

    scottywh ,

    Yeah… Shit I guess that will be my first sub on my Lemm.ee account

    reddthat ,
    @reddthat@reddthat.com avatar

    Right? Regular people have regular problems. No need to add on-top of that.

    One of the best parts is that you can migrate your subscriptions in probably less than 5 minutes now as well!

    PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES ,

    Who cares. Lemmy.world sucks. I got tired of the constant server issues and switched a while ago. It took me like 5 minutes to find another instance and create an account. If my new instance does dumb shit like this, I’ll just move again. Isn’t this the whole point of Lemmy?

    stochasticity ,

    Do you migrate or just make a new account?

    PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES ,

    I just make a new account and switch back and forth depending on server stability. As soon as it starts giving me issues I switch to an account on another instance. It’s pretty quick with the app I’m using (Sync).

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Problem isn’t Lemmy.world, it’s the DDOS kiddies attacking whatever instance hosts the most popular communities. Other instances are just as vulnerable.

    PM_ME_YOUR_ZOD_RUNES ,

    If lemmy.world wasn’t so popular and people were more spread out, DDOS attacks would be much less impactful.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Lemmy.world is pretty small in the grand scheme of social media. It’s only 130k accounts and about 3500 users a day. If Lemmy really takes off, instances the size of currently Lemmy.world are going to be the small fries. Like email, we’re going to have whale domains.

    Artranjunk ,

    Yeah, but this is unrealistic.

    paddirn ,

    While I generally have a positive view of digital piracy (digital archiving), this is ultimately going to happen to any social media site after it gets big enough, it should be seen as a good thing for Lemmy (growing pains). Either a site gets in trouble and/or shut down for opening itself up to piracy or it proactively bans piracy. Unless Lemmy gets full-time staff to actively moderate and keep an eye out for pirated content in a community dedicated to piracy. It probably couldn’t handle such controversial community that might bring the ire of the Entertainment Industrial Complex on them.

    Digital Piracy will continue and we’ll likely see them spin up their own “Pirate Bay” instance somewhere else. Lemmy.world will almost certainly defederate from them, but they’ll be around to those that know where to look, just like pirated content in general.

    jeena ,
    @jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

    This is already like that now, they had their own instance from the start.

    asuka ,
    @asuka@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I think that the ability for servers to defederate from each other is the most distasteful thing about Lemmy. I get it, admins need to be able to stop their users from being exposed to e.g. illegal content should another server they don’t control allow it, but there’s got to be a better way than this. The primary effect is going to be things like this, things like ideologically opposed servers blocking each other, things like Threads being blocked whenever it federates. We don’t need a million little fragmented walled gardens.

    krolden ,
    @krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

    You can always run your own personal instance and never have this issue.

    asuka ,
    @asuka@sh.itjust.works avatar

    This is not an option for most people and will consequently hurt and potentially kill Lemmy as a whole.

    krolden ,
    @krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

    and will consequently hurt and potentially kill Lemmy as a whole

    how?

    adrian783 ,

    so a malicious instance/user that post child porn should just be able to infect as many instances as they want?

    EmperorHenry ,
    @EmperorHenry@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve never pirated anything made by a giant mega-corporation! That would be wrong and immoral!

    Username2345 ,

    If it’s sarcasm, how naive of you. If not, i agree

    spirinolas ,

    Will we still have access to other similar communities in federated instances or are those blocked too to lemmy.world users?

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