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Cris16228 , (edited )

I’m not saying Winaero Tweaker kinda breaks the updates (if you try to open the update page it just does show an error) but it does exactly that

  • Permanently disable Windows Telemetry and Data Collection.
  • Permanently disable Windows Defender.
  • Permanently disable Windows Update.
  • Disable ads and unwanted app installation (Candy Crush Soda Saga, etc).

winaero.com/winaero-tweaker/amp/

ExtremeDullard ,
@ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Another person discovers that big tech has taken control of our computers without asking permission.

Well, your computers. I run Linux. It only does what I tell it to, not the other way round.

possiblylinux127 ,

Why wouldn’t you just set it to when you go to bed

zurohki ,

Do what you want instead of what we want? Lol, no. And if you find a registry hack or something to do it, we’ll ‘fix’ that in the next update.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

Windows turned that off because people refused to reboot for weeks. You can get more time with Windows pro, but updates are still inevitable.

This is because many (most?) updates aren’t actually applied until you reboot. Same goes for Linux and macOS, actually, but Linux will happily let you keep your machine vulnerable to getting hacked for months.

Easiest way to prevent unexpected reboots is to manually reboot. There are ways to mutilate your OS to turn off the forced reboots, but Windows recovers from such mutilation remarkably well as an antivirus defence.

Microsoft won’t back down, unfortunately. You could also install another OS if you’re sick of Windows and don’t care about system updates. Most of Lemmy will happily recommend a selection of fringe Linux distros are in style these days. Or you could run ChromeOS Flex on your machine, or throw a load of money at Apple, those won’t force you to reboot either!

cupcakezealot OP ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

my next laptop is going to be linux anyway :)

kautau ,

With windows pro you can use Group Policy to disable them completely actually, though it’s obv not a good idea

Open Group Policy Object Editor. Navigate to Computer Configuration > Policies > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update. Set Configure Automatic Updates to Disabled.

lightnsfw ,

Mine doesn’t reboot on it’s own and I don’t recall ever changing any settings to prevent it other than messing with the thing OP is talking about which wouldn’t let me turn it off. I get nag screens daily after a while but it never actually restarts. Maybe one of my applications prevents it or something.

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

It’s possible you don’t notice. Whole Windows applications aren’t as good as those on macOS, Windows does try to restart and reposition existing software after a reboot these days.

I found myself a little confused where my search window went when I went to the bathroom. Turned out Windows had rebooted itself and relaunched my browser and IDE. The only state it seemed to have missed were a few tool windows.

lightnsfw ,

I don’t think that was it because it was nagging me every day for a few weeks until I finally got a free weekend to deal with the updates. I have a ton of shit going all the time and restarting is kind of a chore.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Is there not a registry setting you could use to disable it?

tgxn ,
@tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net avatar

There is, pretty sure there’s a GPO too. There is an option in this debloat tool for it too.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

Hey thanks. I’ve starred the repo for later reference.

possiblylinux127 ,

If you disable it make sure you install updates at least once a month

grue ,

The only way to stop having an abusive relationship with your computer is to ditch the OS for something that isn’t Microsoft.

cupcakezealot OP ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

my next laptop is going to be a thinkpad as soon as i save up. :)

cRazi_man ,

Linux

skuzz , (edited )

You know. It’s interesting. I’ve been trying out Debian 12 with KDE Plasma. It actually has been a joy and feels like what Windows 11 should have grown into, had Microsoft actually been designing software with the customer in mind.

…but then there have been times where things so easily critically break until you fix them. Don’t get me wrong. I’ll go mess with kernel code if I have to, so I’m comfortable, but… I just want my computer to work. Windows, for all its shittiness, still keeps working through it like a slow cargo train pushing through a park piled in millions of pancakes.

I had one event the other day where I was installing a Snap app for the first time. Decided rather than installing the Snap package manager because I wanted to avoid Canonical if possible, I’d just manually put it in /opt. Figured out how to edit the KDE “start” menu to add the app using the included GUI tool. Wanted to use the app’s icon. The snap app had an icon embedded in it that Dolphin file manager recognized and displayed.

So I went, “ok, sometimes applications can parse out images from binary files. I’ve seen this work for decades,” so I tell the menu editor to ingest the snap binary for the icon, to see if it will scrape the icon. No icon showed up, so I found a a svg online and assigned that to the icon.

Then I went and saved and launched another application.

GUI slowly started not working and eventually the entire OS locked, even the alt text consoles would not load. Ctrl+alt+backspace was dead, caps lock died, which was when I knew, “he’s dead, Jim.”

Tried rebooting, tried launching that program again, (bearing in mind, not the program I manually added to the “start” menu) and every time the whole OS freezes up. Tried launching apps in different order, launching from command line, etc. When the one app launched that wasn’t the one I created a launcher icon for, same thing. Freeze. (It is possible that the bug is in fact time-based or boot-sequence-based, and since I was trying to reproduce the bug rapidly, the other app had nothing to do with it.)

I go remove the start menu link, hoping that, what I assumed was part of Plasma was trying to load this binary as an icon even though it should have checked the file, recognized it as “no I can’t parse this,” and done nothing or displayed an error or parsed it and showed the icon. Especially after I assigned it another image. I just hoped whatever screwed up would be connected to the code executing that app launcher icon config, and deleting the config for that application would delete whatever mess that was created, and hopefully was created discretely.

Shit you not, the computer became rock solid stable again after that and one more reboot. Hasn’t glitched since.

It’s shit like that that makes me proooobably give up on this experiment and end up on a commercial OS like MacOS again despite the cost and downward trend they are also suffering in a lack of innovative energy.

PlasticExistence ,

With respect, you can screw up Windows by doing things in a non-standard way too. That’s not the fault of the OS.

curbstickle ,

Don’t use snaps.

Seriously.

chris ,
@chris@l.roofo.cc avatar

Why do you want to disable updates? Just don’t. It’s unsafe. For you and others.

JohnDClay ,

Because Microsoft is updating to add ads to the 10 start menu is one reason. Security probably outweighs that, but it’s super annoying.

Cephalotrocity ,

Because new updates are going to implement ads in the Start Menu of Win10.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Linux?

Plopp ,

Sure, Mr. Penguin, come right in. Can I offer you a… fish?

possiblylinux127 ,

So long and thanks for all the fish

So sad it had to come to this

Cephalotrocity ,

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/292/tumblr_lz376laNSq1qaygy7o1_500.jpg

sanpo ,

You know what else is unsafe? Letting Windows force the auto-update and break your bootloader (and that’s just their latest fuck-up).

underwire212 ,

Because it’s his computer and he should be able to do whatever the hell he wants with it?

henfredemars , (edited )

The hardware might be yours, but the license agreement is quite deliberate in restricting what you’re allowed to do with “your” computer.

Kyatto ,
@Kyatto@leminal.space avatar

Her*

ryathal ,

It’s not their internet though.

cupcakezealot OP ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i don’t want to disable updates; i want to disable the random auto restart.

SzethFriendOfNimi ,

It’s basically saying that it needs a 4 hour window for potential updates. Hence why it can’t be more than 18 hour difference.

SpaceNoodle ,

18 + 4 = 26

possiblylinux127 ,

It isn’t random. You just set a maintenance window and don’t care

henfredemars ,

There was a time when I would’ve believed this and there was actual transparency regarding what was in those updates. They can also break your system because you are the tester. They fired all their QA long ago.

I just don’t think they command the level of trust that they wanted, but on the other hand, that’s the reason I don’t use their OS in the first place so I may not be qualified…

SteveFromMySpace ,

I don’t like auto updates. I make time to do routine updates of all my software on my time. I don’t need my computer suddenly shutting down on me, but most importantly, I don’t need major projects to get borked. Often times I finish anything I am working on or at least make quick backups before running an update.

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

I would agree, but there's been at least two updates in the last six months that restarted my machine before I even got to see the pending restart warning. I use it every day and shutdown if I won't be. So the restart happened less than 24 hours after any warning if there even was a warning.

That has the potential to lose things I'm working on. Windows pathetic attempt to bring things back falls woefully short of functional.

Flash up alerts to say there's critical updates, but the action to actually restart should be a human interaction.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

If CrowdStrike has taught us anything, it’s that blindly trusting automation can be equally (if not more) disastrous.

It’s one thing to ask me to update, but give me options; including to not update. There are machines out there in the world that still run Windows 95. They are vital to manufacturing processes, and cannot be updated because they run software that is no longer updated and there is no inexpensive alternative. It happens.

While that may not be the case in this circumstance, the point is that it’s up to the operator to determine when it’s time to update, not Microsoft.

Anecdotally, the only reason Microsoft does this is because people historically do not update their software regularly. Why? Because it’s burdensome and problematic. Whose fault is that? I’ll give you three guesses; the first two don’t count.

possiblylinux127 ,

If you stay up to date it won’t force you to update. The problem is when you keep putting off updating. It is the same for any system.

Also the manufacturing type machines are not internet connected and are in a high security environment.

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