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bionicjoey ,

No idea where you are or what the labour laws or union situation are. But where I work, a consultation like that is a doctor’s appointment and can therefore be taken as medical leave during working hours.

Mannimarco ,

They’re in the Netherlands, they can just take the day off to make use of this service

skullgiver ,
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

Depends on their contract and how many paid/unpaid leave they still have. I know someone who has already spent all of their leave this year and won’t be able to just take a day off (unless it’s special leave like a doctor’s visit or certain funerals, of course).

OP should probably talk to their employer about this or read the company handbook. I suspect they can request special leave to use this service, but if it’s not considered a “normal” doctor’s visit, there may be special rules (i.e. not planning appointments during important meetings).

Refusing OP would be pretty stupid, because OP can also go through the regular medical system and that won’t be online, and requires a GP referral, so any psychiatric help they may require through that system will cost at least twice the amount of time compared to giving an hour or so off to use the company system. In most companies I know of, there are rules about special leave that would entitle OP to leave beyond their normal time off to visit their doctor(s).

Mannimarco ,

Yeah sorry, that’s what I meant, they’re entitled to take special leave to go to this appointment. But it seems OP has already decided that they will be punished somehow for doing so

ThePantser ,
@ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

But your job offered it which means it’s ok to use during working hours and get paid for it. If my job offered free lunch you can be damn sure I will eat it during my work day.

hydroptic ,

Oh you sweet summer child

NocturnalEngineer ,

This an American thing? This is exactly what happens in the UK.

hydroptic ,

Not American, but excellent try anyhow.

9point6 ,

Ikr

Man these people need to start rioting, why the fuck are you lot rolling over

Rhaedas ,

Living paycheck to paycheck.

zephorah ,

The system is set up such that if you lose your job you lose your health insurance, for you and your children.

And if you miss a paycheck you’re toast. Probable eviction notice in the future. Paycheck to paycheck living is real, even more so in the post 2020 world.

insufferableninja ,

paycheck to paycheck isn’t “the system”, or there’s no way 40% of people would be able to avoid it

sunzu2 ,

Bootlicker spotted.

If everybody just worked harder, we wouldn't have poor people 🤡

GBU_28 ,

American here: worked jobs from digging ditches to writing software… This only happens if you let it.

If it’s offered and it’s free, check the times with the boss, if a reasonable reschedule (like "I’d really like you with me in a meeting at 10, can you take the 11 appt? Sure.) , Do it. Else, keep the appt and have your employment docs on hand for reference as needed.

Kyrgizion OP ,

At least one person seems to live in reality. I would love to live in the ideal world the other posters think we live in, though.

Asininity aside, lawfully I can make this appointment. I will also find myself looking at unemployment or a PIP for “performance reasons”…

hydroptic , (edited )

I got smoked out of a company I helped found because I had health issues, even though I was still capable of doing my job. It’s illegal to fire people for health issues here, but it’s not like firing someone is the only way to get rid of them.

Everybody who’s telling you you can legally use these appointments is probably completely correct (depending on your jurisdiction). Whether the legality actually matters is another thing entirely.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

The issue lays not with legality (it’s obviously illegal), but with a person’s (financial) ability to pursue legal recourse.

BUT, finances aside, people should always document everything. In person meeting or phone call? Follow up with an email recapping what was discussed. Make sure to take notes so you’re not relying solely on your memory.

Look for lawyers who would be willing to work on contingency. This is where they get paid when you get paid. If you have some money saved, you might be able to get away with retaining the lawyer.

Obviously a lot of people cannot afford a lawyer, and that’s a damn shame. Companies count on this fact and use it against their employees. But by documenting everything, you at least send a message to the company that you’re willing to fight back and that maybe enough in some cases to deter them (a long shot).

Also check with your state’s labor board to see what, if any, resources are available for workers in these type of cases.

sanguinepar ,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

I guess you could ask the question of someone (line manager most likely) - "Hey I saw that all these appointments are in working hours - does that mean I’m meant to take them during work time? How does it work?” - ie just play innocent and at least get clarity from them on what they understand it to mean.

In writing, ideally!

iliketurtles ,

I’ve worked many different jobs in various sized companies and this wouldn’t be an issue.

hydroptic , (edited )

Which naturally means it’s impossible for it to be an issue for literally anybody else anywhere at any time

And no, before some dumb fuck has any bright ideas, I’m not saying this will be an issue for everybody, just that it’s absolutely fucking idiotic to pretend it’s never an issue.

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