British colonialism killed a whole lot more than that in India, that’s just the figure for the worst 40 years. There’s plenty more millions either side.
Neither the USSR nor the CCP ever tried to be communist. They used that banner to gather supporters and then seized all control of the government in an authoritarian takeover. Communism doesn't have "dear leaders" or usually even parties. Places like the USSR used their control over capital and wages and property ownership to control their populace entirely. We've never really seen an actual communist country because all the major efforts were sabotaged by people who wanted to be dictators.
Capitalism worked under Eastern aggression, Communist economic sanctions, Communist covert actions, and a propaganda apparatus far more widespread than anything from the West.
It worked better than Communism because it works better than Communism. LMFAO
Right, the countries that invaded the USSR in its nascent years, constantly tried to assassinate leaders of progressive movements, couped most countries on Earth.
Communist economic sanctions, Communist covert actions
The projection lol
and a propaganda apparatus far more widespread than anything from the West.
As that joke goes, a CIA and KGB officer meet at a bar. The CIA officer says to the KGB officer “You’ve got a good propaganda machine!”, the KGB officer replies “Well, yours is unbeatable.”
The CIA agent responds with “What propaganda? In the West we don’t have propaganda.”
Your shitty dictatorships failed because they were orders of magnitude more corrupt and dysfunctional than capitalism, and even more oppressive towards the general public.
That you have been brainwashed to only see communist country as authoritarian while the police in your democracy kills black people every day on the street.
I honestly have no clue the only comment of mine I can find is saying you could take Western out and it would still apply so how long this chain is you're going to have to send me a quote of what I said if you would like me to respond unless it's about taking Western out and it's still working in which case I didn't say a fucking thing about communists
I am against dictators and authoritarianism though which I'm pretty sure I made very clear in my comment responding to the guy talking about dictators and how it's only good when it's Western democracy
They’re both auth dictator scumbags who steal from and oppress the people. Dictators are dictators. Left or right, the only difference is exactly who they want to kill. The Soviets oppressed and occupied Eastern Europe and Putin wants nothing more than to do the same.
Thankfully, Putin is less capable than Stalin, so Russian fascist rule isn’t as terrible as Soviet communist rule.
The plenty of the Communist bourgeois and the deprivation of the common people certainly were. The Party members could drive Mercedes if they wanted while the regular people could only dream about a Lada, could enjoy fancy French wines while the common people wait in bread lines, and meet over cigars while the common people were deprived even of the benefit of union representation, as all unions were turned into agents of the state.
No, you just want me to defend the Russian fascist kleptocracy and I’m not interested in it. Both fascism and communism are examples of oppression of the people. The Russian kleptocracy being even worse than the Soviet Empire was, in terms of economic outcomes of their people, is largely because the Russians don’t have imperial subjects to exploit any more, outside their reduced borders, and because they’re even less competent than the Soviets were. Both governments are/were trash, and anyone supporting either government is a scumbag.
Why would I want you to defend a piece of shit like Putin? I responded to your completely vibes-based comment about how the poor were so oppressed by the party with solid data to show that the Soviet Union had the most dramatic inversion of wealth inequality of any country in history.
As a response, you first want to ignore it and pivot to comparing the wealth of a union that took over an underdeveloped feudal backwater and lived under constant siege to the most wealthy country in history. Then, when called on that, you want to instead pivot to talking about Putin.
It’s almost as if one nation emerged out of a semi-feudalist system and the other was heavily industrialized and the continuation of the enslavement of Africans (these slavers being proudly hailed and printed on currency to this day). I seem to remember a certain Soviet leader saying something about having to complete 100 years of development in a short amount of time to catch up with these nations. Never mind that Soviet citizens were more easily able to obtain their means of subsistence, and thus wages can’t be looked at myopically.
Strange how you condemn fascism and communism (polar opposites, as I demonstrated here) then uphold (by dishonest comparison, of which was already demonstrated by the extreme decrease of inequality under Soviet rule, although naturally you were unable to understand how this challenged your point) the system that birthed Nazism [1] [2].
Westerners hate their government so much that they cannot see beyond their own parochial worldview to even entertain the idea that some people would feel generally supportive of their government.
Those sneaky Orientals must be lying in order to trick is good, honest, non-perfidious enlightened westerners again.
Let’s try a different tack then - if it’s illegal to disapprove of the government and you’ll be locked up for it, and 10% of the population voice disapproval, why are only 0.12% of the population imprisoned? Do you actually understand the logistical undertaking disappearing or imprisoning over 140 million people would be? Do you not think it’s more likely that it’s just not illegal to disapprove, and that they really do generally approve of their government?
The 90% figure comes from the Harvard Kennedy School ASH Centre for Democratic Governance and Innovation. There is no fucking possible way you are suggesting that Harvard University is distributing CPC propaganda.
Read the Harvard study, it directly refutes this point of view and even charts some problems Chinese citizens said they have with the government. I cannot imagine being as ignorant as you lmao
Sorry but the U.S. had to massacre 1M Indonesians to prevent a socialist movement and arm Nazis in countries with popular socialist movements to terrorize the population, it’s just that capitalism naturally seems to work better. The best system is the one where millions of people are bombed for the white first world to stay on top, while in the first world the police murder minorities and companies exploit the poor.
Personally, I define tankies as the fucks who support the Russian invasion and deny Tiananmen Square. You can be communist without being a fascist bootlicker
Lots of things work like that. It’s called connotation (personal definition and significance), which does not require denotation (an actual definition)
Slur, “an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.” So, yes. I’m not particularly worried about slurs against tankies, just like I don’t care about insulting or harming the reputation of nazis
ETA: pigs is a slur for cops, that’s a slur I don’t mind either
I haven’t dug through their post history, but this post isn’t the definition of tankie, not all communists are tankies. Tankie = the pricks who support the Russian evasion, deny Tiananmen square, etc. Fuck tankies, but this post ain’t that
The ‘democracy protestors’ were all capitalist agitators funded by the CIA. The main ‘organizers’ now either live in the USA or hong Kong and are very rich.
As for Tibet I suggest you listen to this short video
