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Stovetop ,

Seems more like globalism is to blame. They were from a Taiwanese company but manufactured in Hungary.

Guessing the source of the pagers didn’t matter at all and Israel probably intercepted a shipment to plant bombs in them themselves. Lithium batteries can ignite, but they don’t just explode like that. There were bombs put in those pagers, be it by Israel or whoever else, coordinated as a targeted operation.

DNOS ,

So it wasn’t just here in Italy that they tried to make us believe it was just a cyber attack… On national tv they brought up an old man so called expert who said they probably disabilitated overheating protection remotely and somehow magically the battery exploded causing that damage … I don’t know if I need to interpret this as an attempt at psychological terrorism or just one of the usual diminishing policy in favor of Israel To be fair they mentioned the probability of an actual bomb but in my opinion such an obvious error must not be carried over especially world wide 😱 It gives me chills that the news industry could make such big errors also while talking about politics crime health …

vonxylofon ,

errors

Assuming it was totally inadvertent. Totally.

Tar_alcaran ,

You can absolutely make a lipo battery “explode” by overheating it by drawing too much power. But it’s the kind of explosion where it spews hot gas and maybe catches on fire. You’ll definitely get hurt, but that’s about it.

You can do MUCH worse by overcharging it. (note the size of that battery). There will eventually be a fireball if you overcharge it and keep overcharging it when it’s already swollen to a balloon. But you generally don’t charge stuff while it’s in your pocket.

These were actual killing-people-explosions. Lipo batteries don’t do that.

Tar_alcaran ,

Lipo’s can absolutely burn your house down, but only while overcharging. Igniting a battery while you’re walking around with it will at most burn your pants down, not kill you.

Stovetop ,

Exactly. I remember early days of smartphones before a lot of the safety precautions we have today were implemented, where we saw tons of videos of batteries spontaneously combusting. They expand, there’s a pop, and then a small burst of flame that will ignite anything it touches, like your pants, tables they’re sitting on while charging, etc. You can get pretty badly burned if this happens while it’s in your pocket.

It’s just that the videos that have come out of these pagers shows an actual explosion, as if they had been packed with C4. Enough to instantly kill some people with them on their person and harm adjacent passerbys.

wildbus8979 ,

Lithium batteries can ignite, but they don’t just explode like that.

These pagers don’t use lithium battery.

Stovetop ,

So what other kind of battery would a pager be using that might explode if not lithium? Hydrogen cell?

wildbus8979 ,

(CH2N2O2)3

Stovetop ,

Not a battery but sure, that’s what I was suggesting.

wildbus8979 ,

My point is that the lithium battery angel is a diversion and isn’t even relevant.

Album ,
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It really just proves the point though. Hardware at time of production is a major security risk and any side needs to be aware and protect themselves.

altima_neo ,
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I’m out of the loop here.

Turbonics OP , (edited )

The west makes electronics which explode using security backdoors.

reuters.com/…/israel-planted-explosives-hezbollah…

Tar_alcaran ,

Secret backdoors… And planted plastic explosives.

Turbonics OP ,

Technological appliances which detonate using a classified method of activation.

MossyFeathers , (edited )

Hezbollah uses pagers for communication. Israel intercepted shipments of pagers and rigged them with bombs. Then, an unspecified amount of time later, Israel detonated them during the day, yanno, when people would be out and about in public places. Thousands of bombs went off across Lebanon and killed and injured children, elderly people, and adults.

Of course, mainstream media is trying to pretend that Israel didn’t potentially commit what should be considered a warcrime while assholes on social media are spinning this as a masterfully precise and accurate strike that didn’t have a considerable amount of collateral (I’ve literally seen someone say “only people with something to hide would be around a pager in this day and age” verbatim), and that anyone injured or killed was a member of Hezbollah.

Like, what if one of those had been on a plane when it went off?

When ISIS plants bombs on people and detonates them in public places then it’s a bad thing. Israel does it and everyone stands, claps and tips everyone with $100% bills.

Edit: I honestly wonder if it’s only a matter of time before some IDF or Mossad shithead hijacks a plane and flies it into the Burj Khalifa.

HelixDab2 ,

Not a war crime; terrorism. Hezbollah is a political organization.

Serinus ,

When ISIS bombs a public area, they’re doing it to kill civilians. The target of this pager operation was clearly the people carrying the pagers.

I do agree there was some collateral, but it’s difficult to get any more targeted on this scale.

MossyFeathers ,

Do it at night when people are going to bed. Send out a message to get people to check their pagers, then detonate them. There’s still a chance of collateral, but it’d be significantly lower than detonating them when people will be out in public at the cost of what I imagine would be a slightly lower chance of hitting targets.

akilou ,

Can someone show me on a map where “the west” starts?

10_0 ,

Hot take: that was the better military move by isreal than bombing 2000 women and children to kill 1 hezbula member, too bad they still killed children…

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