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taanegl ,

I put peepee in the doodoofard.

Surp ,
@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Hey fuck Russia and fuck the Taliban woman’s rights over both of them suck a big fat gay dick lol

zante ,

What’s funny, if you put this in a comment, mods would remove it

ryannathans ,

A lot of commenters are missing that the Taliban are the government of Afghanistan now

SoJB ,

And they’re most likely too liberal to even understand that the US literally caused this entire situation for no reason except jingoistic racist imperialist greed

OttoVonNoob OP ,

Germans aren’t Nazis, you can’t group an entire people with a political group.

Krono ,

I find this meme to be absolutely vile.

The good people of Afghanistan have been under violent US occupation for decades, and as their final move, the US looted the central banking reserves.

This effectively drained the savings of everyday Afghanis. They no longer have access to their bank accounts. The US stole all the money.

I often wonder, would the good people of Afghanistan be able to overthrow the evil leadership of the Taliban? I wish they could, but overthrowing the Taliban is much less likely when the US has left you in a state of devastation, poverty, and famine.

Then those same western chauvinists can post memes like this, delighting in the Afghan people’s suffering after causing so much of it. Disgusting.

OttoVonNoob OP ,

I never said anything at all about Afghanistan. I think it’s terrible the state if affairs. The Taliban are fuck faces. The Taliban amd Afganastan are not the same thing.

Krono ,

I never said anything at all about Afghanistan.

You posted a meme about the current leadership of Afghanistan.

I think it’s terrible the state if affairs.

Then why would you post a meme smugly extolling the virtues of the current state of affairs? You can’t have it both ways.

OttoVonNoob OP ,
  1. We don’t group Nazis and Germans

2.Im not smug?

  1. I’m criticizing the defense of an authoritarian government. That has done terrible things to the populace. Which I don’t think is being denied right?
aberrate_junior_beatnik ,

Remember kids, when brown people do something bad, it’s terrorism. When white people starve an entire population after a failed occupation, that’s just because we are very concerned about misogyny. Now, starving an entire country en masse has (to my knowledge) never caused a government to be overthrown, and in this case has no chance of improving the treatment of women in the country. Nor have women in Afghanistan ever asked for sanctions, nor do they support them now that they are in place. But don’t let that fool you in to thinking we’re doing it for any reason other than to help women in Afghanistan.

Before you respond, please take a look at my post and notice I said _nothing positive about the Taliban _. This is about the disingenuous use of women’s rights to excuse and even celebrate mass starvation.

OttoVonNoob OP ,

What’s it matter who’s doing something bad? bad is bad plane and simple. What’s happend to Afganstan is terrible, The Taliban and Afganastan are not the same thing. Fuck the Taliban and may the best come to Afganastan.

flamingo_pinyata ,

“just because we are very concerned about misogyny enslaving half of the population” ftfy

geneva_convenience ,

Bomb a country into impoverishment and then post smug memes about how starving all their civilians to death is morally superior to what the Taliban is doing.

thesporkeffect ,

You’re making some logical leaps here that I can’t follow. I looked at the original meme and it just seems to be pointing out that both putin and the Taliban are terrorists. How do you get starving civilians being morally superior from that .

alcoholicorn ,

The OP meme is mocking the Taliban for their lack of money. The Taliban don’t have money because the US stole the Afghan government’s funds and imposed sanctions.

The result of this has been the worst famine in the world during the period between shortly after the withdrawal and shortly after Oct 7. OP believes that this is liberating for afghan women because they think the Taliban need money to oppress women or something.

thesporkeffect ,

Ok, I see that I missed the actual content of the post, thank you for your reply

OttoVonNoob OP ,

I’m just going to bargain with you on this one, as you seem sensible. I have nothing but love for the Afgan people, I am directly targeting the Taliban with these memes. But everyone is trying to turn them into a blanket of all of Afganastan. I’m trying to say fuck the Nazis and everyone’s saying well Germans are starving. I am quoting a old show where they joke about the Soviet union who was invading Afganastam at the time ironically.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

Brace for “Russia and Taliban good because USA bad” themed replies

alcoholicorn ,

Before the Americans left, the Afghan people lived in terror of the Taliban, Kabul and its warlords, and the Americans.

Today they live in terror of just the Taliban (OK, the Taliban and starvation).

TheOubliette ,

The starvation is due to their country being invaded and bombed for 20 years, their foreign reserves being stolen, and massive sanctions. We are seeing collective punishment visited in the normal civilians of Afghanistan.

The Taliban itself only came to power due to destabilization of the former (incompetent) government by the US. They were described as God-fearing freedom fighters that should be (and were) materially supported. It was only the militant Islamophobia of the post-9/11 US that led to any pretense of caring about the people of Afghanistan - and to use this as an excuse for invading and bombing them. For the record, civilians don’t benefit from getting bombed.

Now we see this filter down into this discourse, where so long as a person can maintain sufficient hate for the Taliban, it isn’t so bad to starve 10-15 million people in Afghanistan. Taliban bad, so widespread deprivation is okay.

The logic in this thread is, and I am not exaggerating, that used by Nazis on their occupied populations and it is why it is a war crime.

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t you mean before Russia invaded?

Let’s check post history. Oooof. Just as i thought.

So this is your full-time job huh?

otter ,

Putin’s leaning into his low-rent Sauron cosplay, hiring soulless mercenaries to fill in for brainless orc conscripts.

CrayonMaster ,

https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/8e8508a9-12db-43bf-978e-d2c6ef64e367.png

TheOubliette ,

Stealing billions of dollars from a country you invaded and bombed for two decades is not okay just because you don’t like the state. Collective punishment, which is what this actually constitutes, violates the Geneva Convention during war, and is unconscionable.

Please do some introspection on whether starving children is such great “own”.

Quacksalber ,

Ah yes, because the Taliban will surely buy food for children with that money, pinky promise!

TheOubliette ,

Yes, of course it will. It already distributes food. The thing you think is absurdly improbable happens every day in Afghanistan. You should ask yourself how you could be so confidently wrong.

Skua ,

You don't have to think America is doing things right to think the Taliban are doing them wrong

TheOubliette ,

I have never said anything so simplistic. The reality is that this post supports the collective punishment visited on the people of Afghanistan after the US ended its two decade hot war there.

I would hope that people be less cruel and bloodthirsty.

EndlessApollo ,

Anyone who treats women the way the taliban do gets 100% of my bloodthirst :D

TheOubliette ,

The women starve with everyone else.

You are just repeating the logic of collective punishment.

EndlessApollo ,

Nice, glad to know you wanna splash acid on women who publicly show their face. Have a shit life you fundamentalist prick :D

TheOubliette ,

Lying like this is why most people like me just make fun of you instead of trying to explain why you shouldn’t celebrate the acts that were designated war crimes because the Nazis did them so much. Personally, I don’t think it should require much explaining, but I am always available if you would like to engage in good faith.

EndlessApollo ,

I’m not talking about collective punishment, you brought that up bc you support groups that collectively punish women for existing. I just hate the taliban, and I’m not such a cartoonish misogynist or dumbass tankie that I think they’re cool and OK just bc they hate women or oppose the US. I really hope you come to that conclusion too, but if you don’t we should meet up so I can knock all your teeth out :3

TheOubliette ,

I’m not talking about collective punishment

When I point out that it’s bad for Afghanistan to “go broke” because it means the starvation of the population, you respond by vilifying the Taliban. Obviously, this is not a direct response to what I actually said, so we have to put on our thinking caps. This attempt to justify the starvation of a population either by deflection or a more concrete but implicit logic is the logic of collective punishment.

you brought that up bc you support groups that collectively punish women for existing

I have nerve said anything like this.

I just hate the taliban, and I’m not such a cartoonish misogynist or dumbass tankie that I think they’re cool and OK just bc they oppose the US.

It sounds like you are having a rich disagreement with the person in your head. And you are even winning! But it has no relation to me.

I really hope you come to that conclusion too, but if you don’t we should meet up so I can knock all your teeth out :3

We have now reached the “threats of violence” portion if the Lemmy.world experience. And all because I don’t think the country of Afghanistan deserves to starve just because the Taliban is its government.

EndlessApollo ,

OK ml :3

TheOubliette ,

I am always available if you would like to engage in good faith

missingno ,
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When I point out that it's bad for Afghanistan to "go broke"

Except that isn't what OP actually said. Now who's having a rich disagreement with people in their head?

This thread started with vilifying the Taliban, you responded with "oh you want people to starve?" Obviously, this is not a direct response to what they actually said.

All anyone said was that the Taliban is bad, and you're very weirdly up in arms about that.

TheOubliette ,

Lmao now this person is harassing me in DMs.

Seems to be a cultural thing at Lemmy.world

Skua ,

You responded to criticism of the state of women's rights under Taliban governance with criticism of America, you absolutely said something exactly that simplistic. If the post was saying that America and/or its allies should re-invade or otherwise try to overthrow the Taliban, sure, you might have a point, but it isn't

TheOubliette ,

You responded to criticism of the state of women’s rights under Taliban governance

That is not what I responded to. If you would re-read what I said, I am focused on the material deprivation of the entire country that is the “go broke” part of this meme and consistent with OP’s behaviors elsewhere.

You can also see from the responses so far that the logic of collective punishment is appealing to at least a few people here.

with criticism of America

Afghanistan is “broke” because the US invaded it, subjected it to two decades of war, stole a huge portion of its foreign reserves when it left, and then leveraged a massive sanctions regime. The “go broke” can mean nothing other than referring to how impoverished Afghanistan has become due to these actions.

you absolutely said something exactly that simplistic.

I did not. Quote me if you disagree. I was pithy, there is no need to try rephrasing it on my behalf.

If the post was saying that America and/or its allies should re-invade or otherwise try to overthrow the Taliban, sure, you might have a point, but it isn’t

It is celebrating the government of Afghanistan being poor.

davel ,
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This has literally nothing to do with women’s rights. The US doesn’t give a flying fuck about women’s rights in Afghanistan, any more than it does in Gaza, where it’s supporting the genocide of men, women, and children alike. It doesn’t care about them in Iran either, or anywhere else.

The US empire’s “humanitarian concerns” have always been bullshit, an excuse, a pretext.
Neocolonial empire don’t give a fuck.

Skua ,

This has literally nothing to do with women’s rights

this is exactly the point I'm making

Cephalotrocity ,

There it is. Was surprised it took this long before the ‘genocide’ keyword got gratuitously thrown in.

Lemmy’s version of Godwin’s law,

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