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supertrucker ,

You do realize poor and destitute people existed long before modern capitalism right. Medieval europe, and the ancient world was full of them, along with many socialist countries

ImmortanStalin ,

You mean to tell me that the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles?

supertrucker ,

No, history is full of people living their lives. It’s history’s insufferable idle middle to upper class people trying to justify their miserable existence that has labeled that a class struggle

Cowbee ,
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No, history is full of people living their lives.

Gotcha, feudalism, slavery, Capitalism, mercantilism, and so forth have never existed in your world view.

It’s history’s insufferable idle middle to upper class people trying to justify their miserable existence that has labeled that a class struggle

What vibes-based politics ultimately results in, lol.

Please pick up a history book, and please read any Marxist theory if you want to have an opinion on it. No investigation, no right to speak.

Cowbee ,
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Capitalism is an evolution on previous class societies, not the first one, yes. Socialist countries have eradicated poverty with comparison to their pre-Socialist systems, and that can and should be recognized.

supertrucker ,

No they didn’t. They made everyone but a small group of leaders poor, and redefined poverty

Cowbee ,
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Nope, wealth disparity drastically decreased when compared to Tsarism and later Capitalism. In addition, Soviet workers had extensive safety nets, like free healthcare, education, more vacation days and fewer working hours than the US, and high home ownership rates.

They didn’t have an abundance of luxuries, but they did reduce poverty drastically.

supertrucker ,

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    Cowbee ,
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    1. What makes someone a tankie? Being a Marxist?
    2. Don’t idolize Stalin, so wrong there
    3. People were not worked to death in Gulags because they were Jewish, Double Genocide Theory is a form of Holocaust Denial that was put forth by Nazis in the years following WWII.
    4. Doctors were not worked to death in Gulags for being doctors, what are you talking about?

    None of your comment makes any sense.

    lennivelkant ,

    Both Medieval Europe and Antiquity were defined by wealthy landowners and poor workers. We don’t always see a whole lot of that in the writings that have survived until our time, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t exist.

    Most of the ancient sources we have were written by people with the both leisure to learn, travel around and write stuff down and the connections to have their writings be considered worth duplicating and preserving. In a word: the elites.

    The issue here is that the poor and destitute didn’t exist in a vacuum just because resources were scarce. Even in bad years for the peasantry, the elites generally did fine.

    These ancient sources don’t always spell that out, because it isn’t worth spelling out to them: this is just how they and their peers live. Most of these elite members owned property or the workshop and tools with which their workers labored.

    By and large, they were rich. Whether that richness is defined in numbers on some net worth estimate or just in the amount of things they owned, the result is the same.

    And even in Ancient Greece, the rich had to make some contributions back to the community (except for Sparta, but they’re a whole different beast of exploitation). Philanthropy has its roots there, even if it is a far cry from what we would term Philantropy today: The wealthy either voluntarily or out of obligation funded buildings, artworks etc. for the general public.

    What changed with Industrial Capitalism and later Globalisation was mostly the scale of exploitation. But the principle - an owner class exploiting a labour class - has been around forever.

    supertrucker ,

    You are correct, which means if someone bothered to write down the details of a famine, it was either really, really bad, or someone was trying to smear the reputation of a monarch

    EABOD25 ,

    I call this the Jimmy Neutron paradox. He was always able to save the town at the end of the episode, but every issue the town had was because Jimmy Neutron caused it. First episode he invented smart pants that put themselves on. They go crazy and take over the town…

    renlok ,

    Donating to a charity they own for tax breaks

    ShinkanTrain ,

    Using their own charities to launder money and evade taxes

    massive_bereavement ,

    That's not correct.

    It is also a fantastic PR campaign.

    dditty ,

    Launder my money and my reputation? I’ll take five

    SnotFlickerman ,
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    Some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.

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